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Pablo 11-12-2015 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11878623)
What are you, 5?

I bet he didn't go to sleep during Royals playoff games. That's something a child would do.

Reaper16 11-12-2015 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11878623)
What are you, 5?

I was 5 once. I grew past that time in my life.

Reaper16 11-12-2015 05:28 PM

I want to say too that I don't have a drive or a need to continue the academics & politics posting in this thread (I know there's a DC thread on the subject but I'm just assuming its an entire cesspool contained in a garbage can which was itself dumped into a second cesspool). I can stop anytime.

After all, Harold Brantley's back in uniform! Kentrell Brothers is going to rack up 17 tackles against BYU!

But I do want people to understand the concepts & students they are criticizing. That lack of understanding isn't always people's fault either, just a lack of exposure to the ideas. That's what's ticked me off a lot in this thread all along: the attacking concepts without first understanding. Understand how people are using these new-to-you terms, and THEN, if you must, talk about why the concepts are flawed.

GloryDayz 11-12-2015 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 11878612)
The thing is though that words DO hurt, and it's arguably worse to collectively pretend that they don't.

And the thing about safe spaces that people ought to realize is that no one lives in a safe space. It's basically about having a therapeutic place -- a regular meeting, say -- where you can share your feelings with people who have similar experiences as you. Outside of a "safe space," people get mocked or belittled for sharing those feelings. People get confronted with "you're lying" or "that didn't happen" or "I don't believe you" or etc etc. by people who lack empathy or sympathy for those experiences. And to some degree that's fine. These students are in college after all, and they should expect their academic or political ideas to be questioned. But for certain disadvantaged groups (often we're talking about ethnic groups or LGBTQIA+ groups) they get A LOT more scrutiny than others, to the point of bullying and erasure. The idea of a safe space is to have a place where they can share without the constant challenging they get outside of the safe space. BY NO MEANS is an entire campus supposed to be a safe space; that's a misunderstanding of the concept.

"Microaggressions" shouldn't be a controversial term either. There's certain ways people get treated that aren't super confrontational but still serve to put down others, to treat them as lesser-than. Misgendering a person you know to be trans, for example. Or people walking across the street, clutching their purse, when a black person gets near. Or campus security letting white students walk into a building without checking ID but suddenly needing the young latina to produce a campus ID. These things aren't often blatantly hateful, but they wear on the people who experience them. I'd be surprised if anyone here doubts that these little prejudices happen in day to day life. Microaggressions is simply the word that's been decided upon to categorize these behaviors.

People are free to think that students these days are mentally weaker than in past generations because of their desire for these kinds of spaces and terms. I do think there's something to your guys' refrain that seeing oneself in constant victimhood can hold one back from the opportunities that ARE present. But I also think the same people suggesting that aren't being empathetic enough to the minority experience. It's simply emotionally harder to endure small daily prejudices than a lot of white Americans give it credit for. Ask your wives sometime about catcalling, and how much that wears down on them as women -- that's a thing that men can't fully understand too, because it simply doesn't happen to them. Similar thing.

I can appreciate this post, it's very thoughtful. But I must say that in today's society the "ACLU culture" and the "you can't just lock them up culture" has made it nearly impossible to deal with bullies. It's difficult to get rid of these things/assholes when "the system" ensures they know there won't be many repercussions.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2015 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11878371)
Interim President Mike Middleton:



"Okay! We put a hyper-liberal minority in charge, are you happy now?"

Yeah...never saw that one coming.

Absolutely pathetic

DJ's left nut 11-12-2015 09:32 PM

Professor Lambert again:

http://truthonthemarket.com/2015/11/12/my-office-door/

At this point I'm convinced he's the only person left on campus with a lick of common sense.

If more educators treated their students like adults as opposed to very large kindergarteners (i.e. the Reaper method), perhaps Universities would be useful again.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-12-2015 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 11878566)
Just, all of it:clap:

What I meant to say is, just all of it sounds like a load of crap. But hey, I'm OBVIOUSLY not an "intellectual" like you, so........

It is a COMPLETE load of crap. The sad part is he's reinforcing this in helping mold a generation of psychos.

KCwolf 11-12-2015 09:44 PM

OK ... REAL question ... BYU -4 Solid ??

Reaper16 11-12-2015 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11879076)
Professor Lambert again:

http://truthonthemarket.com/2015/11/12/my-office-door/

At this point I'm convinced he's the only person left on campus with a lick of common sense.

If more educators treated their students like adults as opposed to very large kindergarteners (i.e. the Reaper method), perhaps Universities would be useful again.

I'm not understanding Lambert's connection between that MUPD email (which I hope was limited to the climate of the protests, because yeah, that's a bit much for the police to be the first response to a slur incident) and the self-congratulating email from Purdue's president. One is an email from campus police & one is an email from a school president. Besides, Lambert doesn't mention that for all the pats on the back that Purdue was giving itself in that email, Purdue has, according to recent FBI statistics, the 2nd most hate crimes of any university in the United States.

Brock 11-12-2015 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11878623)
What are you, 5?

Pfft. You're a dumbass, pete. You belong on facebook.

GloryDayz 11-12-2015 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KCwolf (Post 11879088)
OK ... REAL question ... BYU -4 Solid ??

I don't know man, mizZOO seems way pumped-up to stop people from laughing at them!

kepp 11-13-2015 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 11878537)
Part of the deal with discussions of racism is that people use the term to mean different things. Precisely, I'm differentiating between two major definitions. There's an older definition of racism as the belief that a race of people is superior to another race of people because of certain characteristics or etc. In this sense, the lady in this video is correct. Black Americans can hold those prejudices.

Other people use the definition of racism that has evolved over the last half century to mean that which creates, upholds, or reinforces a power system that seeks to unequally distribute rights, resources, and privileges among racial groups. (Increasingly, too, scholarship is coming to agree that race itself is a socially constructed category, meaning the concept of racism came before/created the concept of race rather than racism being some unavoidable byproduct of having different races live together). Importantly, this definition doesn't erase the concepts of prejudice or bigotry.

So if someone barges into a discussion saying "[insert non-white ethnic group here] can be racist too, not just white people!" Well, depending on which definition of racism the discussion group holds to, that comment is going to be met with derision or some "yeah, duh"s.

So racism will always exist because, when one form is eradicated or weakened, it will be redefined. And you're okay with teaching this?

petegz28 11-13-2015 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 11878625)
I bet he didn't go to sleep during Royals playoff games. That's something a child would do.

Yes, going to sleep would be. I didn't go to sleep. Sorry.

petegz28 11-13-2015 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11879165)
Pfft. You're a dumbass, pete. You belong on facebook.

Sorry, Brock. I didn't mean to violate your safe space, brah. Don't go hunger striking or anything.

Reaper16 11-13-2015 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 11879345)
So racism will always exist because, when one form is eradicated or weakened, it will be redefined. And you're okay with teaching this?

I don't agree that that's happening. There are ways in which America has made progress with racism and ways in which it hasn't. Neither definition of racism is jeopardized by the progresses that have been made. Neither construction of racism has been weakened to the point that any damn person in America should feel comfortable with "how far we've come."


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