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Frazod 08-07-2008 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897899)
It wouldn't change my respect for human life.
I get the sentimentality card. You want to play on my emotions.
But even personal tragedy doesn't change how sacred life is for me.

You really think you can predict how you'd react standing over the bloody, violated corpse of a loved one? Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Now, if you have had a loved one killed tragically, and you stood over this person's body and thought, "darn, that's unfortunate, the guy who did this should probably get locked up for a couple of years," then I'll believe your statement. If not, you are full of shit, because our reactions to sudden, horrible events cannot be predicted.

Micjones 08-07-2008 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 4897947)
If they hadn't proceeded to kill MORE people he would not have gotten the DP.

Either way... The Supreme Court limits the application of the death penalty in cases like these. Where the victim fell at the hands of another person altogether.

Being put to death for simply being an accomplice is rare.

Micjones 08-07-2008 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 4897951)
You really think you can predict how you'd react standing over the bloody, violated corpse of a loved one? Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Absolutely not, but I don't think I'd be the most rational, fair person in that event either. And the law is not subject to my emotions.

PhillyChiefFan 08-07-2008 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897943)
So the death penalty should only be applied to people who kill in cold blood?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that rule this guy out?
I thought he didn't do the killings himself?

Were these deaths accidental? No, they were not. I never said that the DP should ONLY be applied to those who killed in cold blood.

So that makes it ok, that he didn't kill them but watched and did nothing, then ran across the country? and killed more people?

Dartgod 08-07-2008 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 4897951)
You really think you can predict how you'd react standing over the bloody, violated corpse of a loved one? Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Now, if you have had a loved one killed tragically, and you stood over this person's body and thought, "darn, that's unfortunate, the guy who did this should probably get locked up for a couple of years," then I'll believe your statement. If not, you are full of shit, because our reactions to sudden, horrible events cannot be predicted.

To be fair, neither would you. Although, I feel I can make a pretty good "educated" guess. :D

Micjones 08-07-2008 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan (Post 4897965)
Were these deaths accidental? No, they were not. I never said that the DP should ONLY be applied to those who killed in cold blood.

So that makes it ok, that he didn't kill them but watched and did nothing, then ran across the country? and killed more people?

Come on Philly... I've already said that the man should spend the rest of his life in prison. Why do you keep pretending that I'm arguing for him to be set free?

little jacob 08-07-2008 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897971)
Come on Philly... I've already said that the man should spend the rest of his life in prison. Why do you keep pretending that I'm arguing for him to be set free?

you think he should get a break for some reason when legally he is getting what is coming to him IMO.

he doesnt deserve a break any more than he deserves to be set free

Micjones 08-07-2008 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by little jacob (Post 4897977)
you think he should get a break for some reason when legally he is getting what is coming to him IMO.

he doesnt deserve a break any more than he deserves to be set free

You consider spending life in prison a break?
It'd be simpler to just be put to death.
Serving a life sentence would be much more difficult.

PhillyChiefFan 08-07-2008 12:27 PM

That is true, I appreciate your stance. I just believe differently. I know you don't want him to be set free, I guess I would just want a harsher sentence. I don't think that people like him, should have the privlege of life.

Not that he would enjoy it...

Frazod 08-07-2008 12:27 PM

My feelings on capital punishment are this:

Human life is neither precious, nor sacred, nor automatically worthy and valued. Human life is whatever the human makes of it. And if that human chooses to spend his life murdering, raping and otherwise fucking with his fellow human beings, then his life isn't worth jack shit. We are not an endangered species, and there is no logical reason to waste resources on some irredeemable scumbag who will never contribute anything to society except pain and grief. While I have no problem with retribution and justice, I think the larger issue is simply efficient pest control.

As a society, we were much better off when capital punishment was liberally, and publicly, applied. Our current society of endless encarceration and legal wrangling is a long, pathetic exercise in failure.

Micjones 08-07-2008 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan (Post 4897982)
That is true, I appreciate your stance. I just believe differently. I know you don't want him to be set free, I guess I would just want a harsher sentence. I don't think that people like him, should have the privlege of life.

Not that he would enjoy it...

Serving a life sentence is much more harsh than simply being put to death.

PhillyChiefFan 08-07-2008 12:28 PM

hence me saying...

Not that he would enjoy it.

Micjones 08-07-2008 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 4897987)
Human life is neither precious, nor sacred, nor automatically worthy and valued.

Do you have children?

Dartgod 08-07-2008 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4897989)
Serving a life sentence is much more harsh than simply being put to death.

Are you sure? Do you believe in Heaven and Hell?

PhillyChiefFan 08-07-2008 12:30 PM

really? do you know how many people are going to jump all over you for that one??


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