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DeezNutz 02-10-2009 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5477401)
I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread.

Some of you were perfectly willing to hand the keys to the franchise over to a much less accomplished Brodie Croyle, but you scoff at affording Thigpen the same confidence.

Tyler Thigpen threw 18 TD's in 11 starts this season as a, for all intents and purposes, rookie QB who took no First Team reps during the off-season whatsoever.

Yes, he threw them in a Spread Offense, but that offense was installed in the middle of the season.

Obviously the accuracy is a concern.
And in the NFL it's not common for QB's to make drastic improvement in that area.

For that reason, alone, the Chiefs should draft or sign a FA QB, install a more conventional offense, and let them compete for the job. I don't have a Thigpen fixation, but I do think the kid flashed and showed me some good things. He made plays.

To shit on what that guy accomplished given the circumstances is just silly.
It's his fundamental skill set, Mic. That's what's concerning.

At least Croyle could take a snap under center. All the posters in this thread desperately wanting the Chiefs to select a QB in round one, were also the ones claiming that Brodie was a China doll, so this seems like a moot point to me.

Bring in a young QB with an NFL skill set, and you'll see much more patience on this board, at least from the posters in this thread.

Mecca 02-10-2009 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477409)
Statistically, sure.

But unless you can turn those statistics into playoff wins, then he's just another guy in my book.

Roethlisberger finds a way to win.

Bad OL? No problem.

90 yards to go in 2 minutes? No problem.

2 broken ribs? No problem.


I can't think of one, big, important game that Trent Green put the team on his shoulders and won for us while he was here.
Trent Green was a cog in the system as opposed to being the guy who is the franchise.

doomy3 02-10-2009 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477409)
Statistically, sure.

But unless you can turn those statistics into playoff wins, then he's just another guy in my book.

Roethlisberger finds a way to win.

Bad OL? No problem.

90 yards to go in 2 minutes? No problem.

2 broken ribs? No problem.


I can't think of one, big, important game that Trent Green put the team on his shoulders and won for us while he was here.

I have seen you in the past take the exact opposite stance on this. That a QB's success really isn't directly related to Super Bowl wins. What changed that?

epitome1170 02-10-2009 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477405)
You don't get to use that as an excuse when it was done because of said player.

Is it player or PLAYERS, i.e. the line?

Marcellus 02-10-2009 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5477398)
bullshit, if we hadnt spread it out the qb would be getting hit on 3 step drops before setting his feet
The right side of the line was still sieve even in the spread.

We also could not run the ball worth a crap either way. The Denver game was an anomaly.

I don't know how anybody can say they know how good Thipen is or can be with the shitty coaching and changing the offense mid season.

That is why we have a new GM,coach, mimi camp, and training camp and most likely a rookie QB coming in. It will all wash out and all this debate will be pissing in the wind.

Micjones 02-10-2009 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477409)
I can't think of one, big, important game that Trent Green put the team on his shoulders and won for us while he was here.
I guess that depends on what you call a big, important game.

dirk digler 02-10-2009 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477393)
No and he will be listed as a senior on NFL boards he spent 4 years in college he just didn't go back for this 5th year.

If he was extremely raw and had a ton of things he needed to improve it would bug me. But the guy has pocket poise, good mobility a plus arm, hangs in the pocket to make throws and his feet are as good as you could ask for.

Mark Sanchez has been very well coached on all the little things and it shows.
I would say he is extremely raw considering he only played a couple of games in 07 and then all of 08.

Stafford on the other hand has played 2 full seasons plus half his freshman year.

I would also argue that he played against some really shitty Defenses that rival the Big 12 defenses.

I am not against Sanchez but I don't think he is a lock as you think he is.

Micjones 02-10-2009 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5477413)
It's his fundamental skill set, Mic. That's what's concerning.
Do we know for certain that he can't play from under center?
I can recall seeing a few flashes from Thigpen BEFORE we went to the Spread.

SAUTO 02-10-2009 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5477411)
Forget accuracy stats for a second. Go back and watch Thigpen play if you have the means to. He is not an accurate QB. His accuracy past 10 yards is pretty horrendous.
i'll say one thing that i read from tom brady, he too had problems with accuracy and the deep ball it came down to footwork. and for the guys who shout that he has a weak arm: he OVERTHREW almost as many balls as he underthrew

epitome1170 02-10-2009 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5477401)
I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread.

Some of you were perfectly willing to hand the keys to the franchise over to a much less accomplished Brodie Croyle, but you scoff at affording Thigpen the same confidence.

Tyler Thigpen threw 18 TD's in 11 starts this season as a, for all intents and purposes, rookie QB who took no First Team reps during the off-season whatsoever.

Yes, he threw them in a Spread Offense, but that offense was installed in the middle of the season.

Obviously the accuracy is a concern.
And in the NFL it's not common for QB's to make drastic improvement in that area.

For that reason, alone, the Chiefs should draft or sign a FA QB, install a more conventional offense, and let them compete for the job. I don't have a Thigpen fixation, but I do think the kid flashed and showed me some good things. He made plays.

To shit on what that guy accomplished given the circumstances is just silly.

THIS

However, I am not sold on Stafford... I think a QB needs to be brought in to compete, but definitely not just handed the job.

MIAdragon 02-10-2009 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477402)
That's flawed logic spreading the field actually exposes your QB to more hits..the system was run because it's all Thigpen can do.

Lets stop with this bunk that it was because of the line it was because of Thigpen.
LMAO the spread absolutely helps the O line, come on Mecca you know better than that.

Mecca 02-10-2009 06:34 PM
Matt Stafford is actually less polished than Sanchez is, watch his feet when he throws.

RealSNR 02-10-2009 06:34 PM
I think a lot of the Thigpen supporters out there are also for drafting a QB in the 1st. It'd be interesting to take a poll.

Really, I want to see the guy succeed. I really do. The thing is, he's going to have to succeed like all the other 6th and 7th rounders who are successful in this league: prove it.

Just because we draft a QB doesn't mean Thigpen is not going to get another shot. Tell that to the Chargers fans who didn't want to draft Philip Rivers. And Brees was a friggin 2ND rounder. More like a 1st, actually, because he was the 2nd QB taken overall in that draft.

Thigpen will have plenty of chances to show improvement this offseason. If he's good enough, he'll start. And guess what? If he DOESN'T do that well but still shows improvement, he's GOING to be kept on the roster in some fashion. I mean, geez, what else do the Chiefs have to look foward to beyond Sanchez/Stafford? Quinn Grey? Brokie Croyle?

And if he shows no improvement whatsoever at all... well, I mean, that's tough, isn't it? He was a 7th round pick for a reason, and most of those guys just don't have what it takes to play in the NFL. 7th rounders have to work a LOT harder than 1st rounders to get noticed, and if the work isn't shown by Thigpen, why would he show it another time?

Yeah, I know. It's one offseason. But Thigpen's going to have to step away from local KC sports radio, call up his buddy Tony Gonzalez, and start throwing some passes. He's going to have to get in touch with Todd Haley and whoever our new QB coach is, and he's going to have to run a LOT of drills. He only has a few months before training camp, and if he's not looking fresh enough from the start, he's going to lose the starting job he had very quickly. And if he doesn't show more in preseason, then he's going to lose his job with the team.

DeezNutz 02-10-2009 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5477421)
Do we know for certain that he can't play from under center?
I can recall seeing a few flashes from Thigpen BEFORE we went to the Spread.
The only flash I saw in Atlanta was from gunfire at a television set.

Mecca 02-10-2009 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 5477424)
LMAO the spread absolutely helps the O line, come on Mecca you know better than that.
I can link you to an article where an NFL coach says you're wrong.


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