Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5648998)

This.

The whole point is that even the BEST OLB's don't often go in the Top 5. The best ILB has gone that high ONCE.

Look at the above post as proof.

So, people think that Curry is better than all of those ILB's, and most of the OLB's in past drafts?

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5648991)

That's not at ALL what I said. Quit putting words in my mouth. I never said it happened with regularity, only that OLB's are taken that high much more than ILB's.

"Quite a few" doesn't have to equal much more than one, in this case, as there was only one MLB taken in the Top 5 in the past 20 years. Where I screwed up was changing to Top 3 from the Top 5 that Phil was speaking of.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5648326)

He's average the same amount of sacks and 20 less tackles per year than Tamba Hali, and people around here have no problem jumping all over Hali's ass for being a bust, especially when he was picked 16 slots lower than Adams.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5649029)

Now who is the one being disingenuous?

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5649026)

The people who have defended Curry have done so because they think he's a better prospect in this draft then the other prospects in this draft. It's all about this draft and the players in it and nothing more. Well unless you want to reach for positional value and then it becomes trying to prove you're right.


PhilFree:arrow:

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5649026)

The people who have defended Curry have done so because they think he's a better prospect in this draft then the other prospects in this draft. It's all about this draft and the players in it and nothing more. Well unless you want to reach for positional value and then it becomes trying to prove you're right.


PhilFree:arrow:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5649024)

No offense or anything but Charley Casserly was a brutal GM.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5649077)

Curry, Orakpo, Monroe, Smith(s), Crabtree, Oher, Maclin, Brown, Jackson, Wells would/could all be considered a legit pick by the Chiefs at that point.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5648927)

Perhaps the NFL decision makers feel that Curry is better than the others and justifies a top three pick? That he transcends what is generally considered a position of less importance, at least when drafting unproven college players.



In the past ten years, here are your top 3 rushers:

1998: Andre Wadsworth
1999: N/A
2000: Courtney Brown, Lavarr Arrington
2001: N/A
2002: Julius Peppers
2003: N/A
2004: N/A
2005: N/A
2006: Mario Williams
2007: N/A
2008: Chris Long

Whoops. Wait a minute. You said linebackers. Okay. So scratch Wadsworth, Brown, Peppers, Williams and Long from that list.

So in the past ten years, the NFL decision makers thought that only Lavarr Arrington was worth a top three NFL draft pick. I wonder if they feel that the rush backer position is a position of little importance considering that there has only been one outside linebacker taken in the top three in the past ten years?

I'm not sure how only Arrington translates into "quite a few" though...hmmmm.



Because the MLB must have the knowledge to quickly recognize the offensive sets and call adjustments to them quickly. They also have to possess excellent instincts as they are responsible for finding the ball on every play and stopping the play as quickly as possible. They have to be athletic enough to support both the run and the pass, and cover tight ends, receivers and backs. Their area of responsibility on the field is much greater than other positions.

A rush end has one simple task. Get the quarterback. If they do it but once a game, they are considered a great success. A defensive tackle, depending upon the scheme is basically required to tie up blockers to allow the more athletic players to make plays. It's not asking much for a big fat dude to stand in the middle of the field and waddle towards another big fat dude. However, a ILB is requried to do so much more. And that's why I consider it a position of high importance on the defensive side of the ball.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5649077)

He did get the bum rush for picking Super Mario instead of Young or Bush and he looks like he did the right thing. However, the guy did do the GM bit for a while, so he's been in the business of evaluating players and the like. Just trying to provide a bit of objective analysis in backing Curry as a legit pick at #3. I'd take Casserly's word over the mock draft meat heads, and even the mock meat heads have Curry high. Guy had a great combine, has great fundamentals, has a nose for the ball, fight through and sheds blocks very well, etc. It seems that everyone thinks he's a legit top ten type of player.

I'm just saying that people don't need to go ballistic if someone says that Curry would be a legit pick by the Chiefs at that spot.

Curry, Orakpo, Monroe, Smith(s), Crabtree, Oher, Maclin, Brown, Jackson, Wells would/could all be considered a legit pick by the Chiefs at that point.

And depending upon what the Chiefs do with Larry, people should start looking at Beanie Wells with a little more than just a casual interest at that three spot.

Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5649089)

Rush backers were previously considered tweeners. If a DE who could rush was too small, he would drop down boards until a 3-4 team picked him up. These guys aren't going to drop as far with so many more 3-4 teams, the need for these guys has gone up. Their value has always been high, look at the contract Adalius Thomas signed.

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5649012)

Let's see...we had the best, most complete DE in Jared Allen, but he really didn't seem to get us over the hump. Hell, our defense, even with him on the roster, was the laughing stock of the NFL. Derrick might have been the best rushing OLB in NFL history, but yet, how many playoff games did we win with him on the roster? How many Super Bowls? A defensive tackle? A big fat space eater that's meant to free up the ILB?

I'd like "The more important position on the defense" for $1000 Alex.

What is ILB? Yeah, I win football Jeopardy!!!

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5649054)

Do you know what disingenous means? I'm not the one putting words in people's mouths like "regularity." I'm also not changing the parameters of the argument to suit my argument, as you did.

My typo made things harder on me. I didn't get an advantage in the argument with that typo.

Go back and read the thread. Phil references Top 5.

The points still stand.