We're talking about a coach and GM that are from teams that don't use the TE as a receiver at all...Ben Watson is talented but he doesn't catch alot of passes by any means.

Hell Cassel just spent a season rarely even looking at a TE.

Absolutely. Agree completely.

I don't buy that either. People said the exact same thing when Al Saunders stepped in here. If the Patriots or Cardinals had a weapon like Tony Gonzalez, they absolutely would've used him. Just like the Cowboys use Witten as a main offensive weapon.

Well the Chiefs with Saunders basically never got remotely talented WR's, that's their fault. They ran the passing game through Gonzalez without much of a choice..

And the Cowboys passing game running through Witten was a bit dumb when you realize what else is on that team.

Well who wouldn't if you had someone that talented on your roster? But it's definitely not a necessity.

You'll never be able to win without a top TE, FB and guard man.

Neither is having Adrian Peterson...but it sure as hell helps.

There are no amount of Pro-Bowls a QB could make to equal the value of a Tony G.

If we can get a 2nd for Tony... bye bye. A 2nd rd pick for a guy who is going to play another year or two TOPS... for me its a no brainer.

I have a hard on for Cottam and think we has the tools to be the kind of player that can change a game like Tony did for us.

6'8 271... AND can catch AND a 4.6 40?!?!?! Yeesh. He learns how to use that big body to block as well and we are set for the next decade.

**** yes. Great players are always nice to have.

You'll never be able to win without Mark Sanchez man.

When a guy is 34 years old if you get offered a 2 you should probably move him...the only way you shouldn't is if you are at that exact moment a superbowl team and he is a key player.

Atleast he plays a core position.

I can't believe all this "Tony is a whiny ass bitch" stuff.

Who cares if he demands excellence?!?! If that makes him a whiny ass bitch, then we're all whiny ass bitches on this board. Do you people long for the "we're OK with losing" attitudes of Eric Hicks???

The difference between TG and most other players is that he has earned the right to complain, and even to ask for a trade if he sees fit. The important thing is that when he doesn't get traded, what does he do? He laces up the next week and PLAYS HIS ASS OFF every play. That's the kind of guy I want on my team. A 2nd round pick might be good value to the drafturbators, but I'd rather keep him.

What will a 2nd round pick do? We have a new QB and a new scheme coming in. TG could be invaluable in getting this thing up and running the right way. We have a lot of picks, and we have lots of youth already. Herm's biggest mistake (after choosing football coach as a career) was to jettison virtually all vets and leave the team rudderless. Pioli seems to be addressing that.

Agreed BUT he's made of glass.

a 2nd and a player (of some value) and fine...but like I said, while a 2nd is a strong offer...it doesn't exactly blow me away...and Tony Gonzalez has value in the fact that we're trying to develop a young QB...whether it be Cassel, Thigpen or even Sanchez...