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philfree 12-16-2009 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6351678)
I'm betting that Pioli had access to...the tape from last year's games.

This is an amazing thing.

Pioli did jack ****ing shit. He didn't improve the club in any single meaningful way, aside from the kicker. In fact, one can make a strong case that we're worse off now b/c of the asinine contract he gave to Cassel.

And many believe this approach was and is understandable.


I don't think Cassel's contract matters and if Pioli wants to move on it won't be cumbersome. At the end of 2010 that contract won't make a difference. As far as watching the tape that's fine but to truely know what he had he chose to see it first hand. It's more painful this way no doubt but to build something properly you have to start at the beginning. Things may appear or even be worse off for a period of time. I'm not saying Pioli isn't beyond reproach but I believe I see what his start plan was so I'm going to give it time and I hope it starts to bare fruit next year.

PhilFree:arrow:

Mecca 12-16-2009 01:07 PM

I think the idea of asking a team that had 50 mill in cap room and a top 5 pick to bring in one foundation player is not asking to much yet they couldn't even do that.

DeezNutz 12-16-2009 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6351773)
I think it has helped. It might not show up in the win column yet but it could payoff down the road.

There is no question we need a shitload more talent

Based on what?

beach tribe 12-16-2009 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6351755)
Well I see these vet leaders have really made a difference.

They bombed.

As far as Zack Thomas, and his 1 mil.

Isn't the vet min. $900,000?

I could be wrong.

Mecca 12-16-2009 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 6351776)
I don't think Cassel's contract matters and if Pioli wants to move on it won't be cumbersome. At the end of 2010 that contract won't make a difference. As far as watching the tape that's fine but to truely know what he had he chose to see it first hand. It's more painful this way no doubt but to build something properly you have to start at the beginning. Things may appear or even be worse off for a period of time. I'm not saying Pioli isn't beyond reproach but I believe I see what his start plan was so I'm going to give it time and I hope it starts to bare fruit next year.

PhilFree:arrow:

It's not the contract, it's that, that was his first big move as a GM, to say Cassel was his guy his franchise QB. GM's have ego's you really think he's going to admit he ****ed that up after 2 years?

Mecca 12-16-2009 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6351778)
Based on what?

That he wants to believe it did, that's about it.

DeezNutz 12-16-2009 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 6351776)
I don't think Cassel's contract matters and if Pioli wants to move on it won't be cumbersome. At the end of 2010 that contract won't make a difference. As far as watching the tape that's fine but to truely know what he had he chose to see it first hand. It's more painful this way no doubt but to build something properly you have to start at the beginning. Things may appear or even be worse off for a period of time. I'm not saying Pioli isn't beyond reproach but I believe I see what his start plan was so I'm going to give it time and I hope it starts to bare fruit next year.

PhilFree:arrow:

Hey, we don't agree and I respect that. Still, I stand by my comment: if Pioli needed one full season to evaluate the existing talent on this team, he is the most incompetent GM in the league.

beach tribe 12-16-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 6351776)
I don't think Cassel's contract matters and if Pioli wants to move on it won't be cumbersome. At the end of 2010 that contract won't make a difference. As far as watching the tape that's fine but to truely know what he had he chose to see it first hand. It's more painful this way no doubt but to build something properly you have to start at the beginning. Things may appear or even be worse off for a period of time. I'm not saying Pioli isn't beyond reproach but I believe I see what his start plan was so I'm going to give it time and I hope it starts to bare fruit next year.

PhilFree:arrow:

Exactly.

If talent evaluation could be done by watching tape, why the hell do GMs show up at schools to watch players, work players out, or even attend the combine? There's plenty of "tape" to keep them from having to do that.

Could one of you please answer this question for me?

Chiefnj2 12-16-2009 01:12 PM

I'm not excusing his horrible draft and he didn't begin to build the Chiefs the way I would have, but here is what Pioli said the day he was hired:

Q: How do you build a team, through the draft or free agency or a combination?
PIOLI: “I think the process begins by getting a better grasp on the talent that is here. We will be multi-tasking at the Senior Bowl and as we do our college evaluation. I want to get a better grasp on this football team and know these players that are here.


He also said: "This is going to be a very methodical process in building this football team, and we’re going to start from the ground up and build a foundation, move ahead, and touch every part of the football operation. The patience that I know Clark has told me he’s going to show it going to be rewarded."


People may not like it, but he started his GM responsibilities by talking about the evaluation of existing talent and he talked about patience and being methodical.

dirk digler 12-16-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6351769)
I could have sworn everyone pretty much agreed on this before the season IIRC.

They did.

Mecca 12-16-2009 01:12 PM

I love it, Pioli gets a pass for being incompetent, our future is bright.

Mecca 12-16-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6351789)
I'm not excusing his horrible draft and he didn't begin to build the Chiefs the way I would have, but here is what Pioli said the day he was hired:

Q: How do you build a team, through the draft or free agency or a combination?
PIOLI: “I think the process begins by getting a better grasp on the talent that is here. We will be multi-tasking at the Senior Bowl and as we do our college evaluation. I want to get a better grasp on this football team and know these players that are here.


He also said: "This is going to be a very methodical process in building this football team, and we’re going to start from the ground up and build a foundation, move ahead, and touch every part of the football operation. The patience that I know Clark has told me he’s going to show it going to be rewarded."


People may not like it, but he started his GM responsibilities by talking about the evaluation of existing talent and he talked about patience and being methodical.

Well if he thought he was taking foundation steps his first year he failed and failed epically.

beach tribe 12-16-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6351782)
Hey, we don't agree and I respect that. Still, I stand by my comment: if Pioli needed one full season to evaluate the existing talent on this team, he is the most incompetent GM in the league.

Maybe it didn't take a whole season, but it took longer than he had before the season began.

Not to mention trying to put together a coaching staff, moving his family, etc. etc,.

Mecca 12-16-2009 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6351802)
Maybe it didn't take a whole season, but it took longer than he had before the season began.

Not to mention trying to put together a coaching staff, moving his family, etc. etc,.

You realize you are essentially saying let's give him a pass because he's kinda slow, right?

I don't see other new GM's getting these excuses as they actually help their teams get better.

dirk digler 12-16-2009 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6351778)
Based on what?

Didn't I read where Studebaker gave Vrabel alot of credit for teaching him how to play? I swore I read that.


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