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Frankie 02-24-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9431734)
I'm on record here and elsewhere as not being a Connery Bond fan. I like both Craig and George Lazenby better. Moore, for what the movies were, was good. Frankly, I'd put Connery maybe above only Timothy Dalton.

I love Connery as an actor, but as Bond... pass.

Sorry for your terrible Bond taste that misses the whole spirit of the movie Bond. Here are the best movie Bonds:

1- Sean Connery

2- Sean Connery

3- Sean Connery

4- Sean Connery

5- Some Connery-like future Bond actor

6- George Lazenby

7- Timothy Dalton

8- Pierce Brosnan (Didn't like his voice. Also he got the shaft from EON with bad movie scripts)

9- Daniel Craig (Good actor, like the voice, don't like anything else.)

10- Roger Moore (Had every chance to be the second best Bond, but badly fumbled the ball.)

Fire Me Boy! 02-24-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9431796)
Sorry for your terrible Bond taste that misses the whole spirit of the movie Bond. Here are the best movie Bonds:

1- Sean Connery

2- Sean Connery

3- Sean Connery

4- Sean Connery

5- Some Connery-like future Bond actor

6- George Lazenby

7- Timothy Dalton

8- Pierce Brosnan (Didn't like his voice. Also he got the shaft from EON with bad movie scripts)

9- Daniel Craig (Good actor, like the voice, don't like anything else.)

10- Roger Moore (Had every chance to be the second best Bond, but badly fumbled the ball.)

They all had their way with your mom...

mnchiefsguy 02-24-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9431796)
Sorry for your terrible Bond taste that misses the whole spirit of the movie Bond. Here are the best movie Bonds:

1- Sean Connery

2- Sean Connery

3- Sean Connery

4- Sean Connery

5- Some Connery-like future Bond actor

6- George Lazenby

7- Timothy Dalton

8- Pierce Brosnan (Didn't like his voice. Also he got the shaft from EON with bad movie scripts)

9- Daniel Craig (Good actor, like the voice, don't like anything else.)

10- Roger Moore (Had every chance to be the second best Bond, but badly fumbled the ball.)

Well, you had better get used to Craig, he is going to be around for a long, long time.

Fire Me Boy! 02-24-2013 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 9431937)
Well, you had better get used to Craig, he is going to be around for a long, long time.

God forbid any have a different interpretation from the great and almighty Frankie, James Bond expert.

mnchiefsguy 02-24-2013 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9432068)
God forbid any have a different interpretation from the great and almighty Frankie, James Bond expert.

I admit, I like Sean Connery a lot, as Bond and as an actor in general. I also agree that Pierce Brosnan did not get the best Bond scripts to work with.

But Craig has been lights out phenomenal as Bond. QOS was a disappointment, but with the writers strike going on before and during filming, it was destined to be a cluster from the get go. The fact that QOS turned out to be an okay movie is about the best one could hope for.

Craig's Bond has been rebooted from the ground up, and I look forward to the next chapter. Hopefully it won't take four years to get done.

Deberg_1990 02-24-2013 02:29 PM

Roger Moore was perfect for what they asked him to do. It was a different era, the movies were corny and over the top. Badly dated now, but he was fine for the time.

ThaVirus 02-24-2013 02:45 PM

I think Pierce Brosnan best personifies the Bond suave. He had the look, the voice, and he was debonair. He's exactly what I'd expect James Bond to be like in real life, but his movies blew chunks.

Daniel Craig is nothing like what I would expect from James Bond. He's rough, rugged, and- I don't even know what else, but suave wouldn't be the first thing that came to mind. With that said, he acts well, is great in the action scenes, and his movies are fantastic.

I'd probably make my list with Craig as #1 with the slight nod over Connery at #2. **** everyone else.

Frankie 02-24-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 9432095)
I admit, I like Sean Connery a lot, as Bond and as an actor in general. I also agree that Pierce Brosnan did not get the best Bond scripts to work with.

But Craig has been lights out phenomenal as Bond. QOS was a disappointment, but with the writers strike going on before and during filming, it was destined to be a cluster from the get go. The fact that QOS turned out to be an okay movie is about the best one could hope for.

Craig's Bond has been rebooted from the ground up, and I look forward to the next chapter. Hopefully it won't take four years to get done.

Craig is a good actor alright. But so is Peter Dinklage. Peter Dinklage is not Bond. Neither is Craig. Craig benefits from being Barbara Broccoli's favorite and EON going out of their way to provide him with good scripts.

Brosnan fought for better scripts and more edge to the character but instead they just fired him.

The idea of a reboot has a lot of problems. Usually a reboot happens a few years after a series has run it's course. It's usually done by another outfit and not with the signatures of the first. This one was done only to tap into the box office popularity and success of a short blond spy named Bourne. Instead of the Bond franchise being a trail blazer, it became an imitator.

To make it all more stupid they not only kept the signature music and the intros, but also kept the same M who had already bossed around the old Bond. The new short, blonde, pre-00 Bond is introduced to the old M. What a crock of shit! I think EON counted on the new fans having a short attention span,.... and judging by some posts here, maybe they were right.

Fire Me Boy! 02-24-2013 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9432752)
Craig is a good actor alright. But so is Peter Dinklage. Peter Dinklage is not Bond. Neither is Craig. Craig benefits from being Barbara Broccoli's favorite and EON going out of their way to provide him with good scripts.

Brosnan fought for better scripts and more edge to the character but instead they just fired him.

The idea of a reboot has a lot of problems. Usually a reboot happens a few years after a series has run it's course. It's usually done by another outfit and not with the signatures of the first. This one was done only to tap into the box office popularity and success of a short blond spy named Bourne. Instead of the Bond franchise being a trail blazer, it became an imitator.

To make it all more stupid they not only kept the signature music and the intros, but also kept the same M who had already bossed around the old Bond. The new short, blonde, pre-00 Bond is introduced to the old M. What a crock of shit! I think EON counted on the new fans having a short attention span,.... and judging by some posts here, maybe they were right.

Or maybe some fans are smart enough to know Bond is a character, and they don't need to reinvent the wheel every time they hire a new actor.

Frankie 02-24-2013 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 9432886)
Or maybe some fans are smart enough to know Bond is a character, and they don't need to reinvent the wheel every time they hire a new actor.

And you go out of your way to wrap your disagreement with me in insults, only to agree with me. You are right, they didn't have to reinvent the wheel. But they did. Unfortunately. All they had to do was to start writing better scripts like they have for Craig.

DaneMcCloud 02-25-2013 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9432958)
And you go out of your way to wrap your disagreement with me in insults, only to agree with me. You are right, they didn't have to reinvent the wheel. But they did. Unfortunately. All they had to do was to start writing better scripts like they have for Craig.

To me, Pierce Brosnan could have been the quintessential Bond. A mixture of Connery, Lazenby and Moore, but the producers failed to provide him with great scripts.

He, if given the chance, would have been amazing in the reboot. I think Craig has done a great job but like you, feel his stature and blond hair throws off the decades long style and feel of the character. Even still, I love the movies he's done as Bond.

That said, I doubt we'd be having this conversation had Hugh Jackman not refused the role in 2005.

Deberg_1990 02-25-2013 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9435674)
To me, Pierce Brosnan could have been the quintessential Bond. A mixture of Connery, Lazenby and Moore, but the producers failed to provide him with great scripts.

He, if given the chance, would have been amazing in the reboot. I think Craig has done a great job but like you, feel his stature and blond hair throws off the decades long style and feel of the character. Even still, I love the movies he's done as Bond.

That said, I doubt we'd be having this conversation had Hugh Jackman not refused the role in 2005.

I actually like all the Brosnan movies except the last one. They sort of fell back to the over the top (Roger Moore) era stuff with that one. The 1st movie with Brosnan was sort of a reboot since Bond was a dead character there in the early 90s.

Frankie 02-25-2013 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9435674)
To me, Pierce Brosnan could have been the quintessential Bond. A mixture of Connery, Lazenby and Moore, but the producers failed to provide him with great scripts.

He, if given the chance, would have been amazing in the reboot. I think Craig has done a great job but like you, feel his stature and blond hair throws off the decades long style and feel of the character. Even still, I love the movies he's done as Bond.

That said, I doubt we'd be having this conversation had Hugh Jackman not refused the role in 2005.

Jackman was my top choice when they were recasting Bond after the Brosnan era. But I understand he was rejected by Barbara Broccoli for being too "effeminate!!!" I think Babs had her site on Craig and nothing,... NOTHING was going to change that. This also explains why all the extra efforts are made for better quality of scripts and production. All is to sell Craig as Bond to a great section of the audience. They could have done the same for Jackman and everybody claiming Craig is the greatest Bond would have claimed the same for Jackman.

Brosnan had a lot going for him for the 007 except the commanding voice and delivery that Connery had. Craig is OK in that department. Too bad he just doesn't look like Bond.

headsnap 02-25-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 9436176)
Jackman was my top choice when they were recasting Bond after the Brosnan era. But I understand he was rejected by Barbara Broccoli for being too "effeminate!!!" I think Babs had her site on Craig and nothing,... NOTHING was going to change that. This also explains why all the extra efforts are made for better quality of scripts and production. All is to sell Craig as Bond to a great section of the audience. They could have done the same for Jackman and everybody claiming Craig is the greatest Bond would have claimed the same for Jackman.

Brosnan had a lot going for him for the 007 except the commanding voice and delivery that Connery had. Craig is OK in that department. Too bad he just doesn't look like Bond.

wow, that post broke apart in mid air!!!

DJ's left nut 02-25-2013 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9435674)
To me, Pierce Brosnan could have been the quintessential Bond. A mixture of Connery, Lazenby and Moore, but the producers failed to provide him with great scripts.

He, if given the chance, would have been amazing in the reboot. I think Craig has done a great job but like you, feel his stature and blond hair throws off the decades long style and feel of the character. Even still, I love the movies he's done as Bond.

That said, I doubt we'd be having this conversation had Hugh Jackman not refused the role in 2005.

Agreed about Brosnan. Connery remains the best Bond, but Brosnan should have been the best. He just got stuck with a lot of really terrible movies.

Lazenby's interesting. I think his short run has people overrating him a little and I used to do the same. Then I re-watched Secret Service and really thought he did a mediocre job. He was stiff, unpolished and just not as good as I remembered.

I think people like him more than they should because they just didn't get a chance to grow tired of him. And also, he played Bond in a single movie that was a little different from the rest and was quite good on its own. He gets credit for being Bond in a good movie, just as Dalton got nailed for being Bond in really bad movies (though Dalton just wasn't that good).

Craig's just a far different Bond than anyone that's come before him so its tough to put him in the hierarchy. For the most part, he's been James Bourne. I like his movies a lot and the gritty nastiness of them, but they're a world apart from the rest of the series. It's just tough to grade him with everyone else.

But back on track - yes, Pierce Brosnan is an underrated Bond and could've been the best Bond yet.


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