The server would melt if that happened...

The Detroit and Buffalo game, we have no idea how well they would have played if they were actually prepared. That was easily a preparation issue. Everyone looked gassed. The New England game, the defense played well enough in the first half to keep the team in the game. You're not going to keep Tom Brady silent for two halves. We don't have an elite defense, but as I said, in most games, they do enough to give the offense a fighting chance to win. It was definitely our offense that lost the game against New England. And in Baltimore, you're using the score to justify your point. Our defense played solid that game. You forget that we were winning in the first half. We lost that game because our passing game (despite Baltimore throwing 8 guys in the box) couldn't move the ball whatsoever, and because McCluster and Cassel committed two key turnovers early in the 2nd half that gave Baltimore prime field position.

And again, you're assuming the defense is on Haley. I blame Pioli for hiring Crennel and jamming a 3-4 onto him.

This whole thing has passed the absurdity threshold. Some people are merely looking for any reason to bolster their point of view. Everybody knows that, when a defense spends as much time on the field as ours does, you're going to have problems. When you add in the field position issue, the enemy has every reason to put 40 on your ass.

Grampa Dick used to complain that the offense scored too fast, which put pressure on the defense. Nowadays, it's because the offense is a 3-and-out machine.

On account of our record and the blowout losses, people are going to hate Haley regardless of the facts or the truth or the actualityness of the situation. I, on the other hand, prefer to reserve my unreasonable and irrational hate for Cassel and his family.

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I didn't say they got better BECAUSE of Haley.

But they did get better while he was here, did they not?

KC lost to Baltimore because nobody on D could cover Todd Heap. Dex's fumble. Charles' fumble. Not getting the ball to Bowe in the first half and a ridiculous 4th down call by an OC who had mailed it in 3 weeks prior. And then, once Baltimore got the lead Cassel folded under pressure in the 2nd half.

That pretty much sums it up....

OK, so he gets credit for the bad but not the good. How does that make sense? Haley made high profile moves regarding Bowe and Johnson and they both responded by playing at the next level. Credit where it's due, man.

sIts absurd
The same people who say we can't win without a franchise qb let alone a qb who nnegatively contributes...
The same people who say Clark hunt is shortchanging this team of talent by being cheap...
The same people who blast pioli for screwing up the qb, nt, pass rusher and for being a bad gm....
These are the same people who grill Haley for losing despite being shortchanged of talent especially at qb and nt. When things go wrong the first instinct is to blame everybody.

Fo shooooo.

Haley's definitely not Rich Kotite. He's also not Bill Walsh. To me, he's just a guy. Yeah, he got a bit of a raw deal with the Cassel thing, but that's balanced out by the fact that I'm not sure he was really ready or competent enough to be a HC.

If he gets canned, it won't bother me. If he stays, it won't bother

I will say this: if we do draft a QB in the first (I'm still pessimistic), I'd much rather have Haley than some retread defensive coach (John Fox, Jeff Fisher, Bill Cowher, etc.) who loathes the thought of developing a young QB and just wants someone to manage the game.

Yup yup.

An average qb keeps us in that game. Period. We were competitive in every phase of the game except our d bag quarterback. Our defense did more than enough to win. Our offense crippled them.

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I'm not saying he only gets credit for the losses or bad outcomes but not the good, I'm saying that to assume that those players improved solely because of Haley is a logical misstep.

Shortchanged on cassel, by a cheap owner, by a gm who forced his system onto the clay instead of letting the coach run his system. Haley is the definition of being handcuffed. But in the process, players have gotten much better under his watch, they respect him deeply, and they stay disciplined enough to work hard and stay in shape for training camp.

I don't know his ceiling. Maybe its low. But he's shown tremendous upside and he deserves a shot at doing things his way instead of the gm jamming the patriot way down his throat.

How many yards did Charles have in the 2nd half? Baltimore's first possession of the game led to points and about 5 minutes of the clock being chewed up. I agree the offense was bad - but it was bad all around. Drives ended with bad playcalling, and fumbles by players other than Cassel. Did Cassel melt under pressure toward the end - sure, he always does. But to ignore the playcalling, lack of productivity by Charles in the 2nd half, and turnovers by other players is just ignorant. But I know, with any other QB the team is a playoff contender.*

* Except Tyler Palko.

It's human nature, Mr. chiefzilla1501.

It's like those people who blame the iceberg for the Titanic. Or, those people who blame the New Orleans flood on backed up sewers. Or, those people who blame Torgo for tying up The Master's wife to that pole.

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