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Tribal Warfare 01-24-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8318990)
It will certainly be the player who will have the most impact for the team. At our pick, that's probably Richardson. Defensive team, lacking at QB.

If Herm was still around who was all about BPA, I'd also agree but Pioli is all about "positional value" which coincides with the "right 53" crutch excuse when picking players.

ToxSocks 01-24-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 8323467)
If Herm was still around who was all about BPA, I'd also agree but Pioli is all about "positional value" which coincides with the "right 53" crutch excuse when picking players.

Pioli is not just a "positional value" guy.

Safety at 5 is not positional value.

We've had this discussion on here too many times to count.

Tribal Warfare 01-24-2012 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8323599)
Pioli is not just a "positional value" guy.

Safety at 5 is not positional value.

We've had this discussion on here too many times to count.

"right 53", and Jared Mayo an ILB #7 doesn't have alot positional value but he fit.

O.city 01-24-2012 07:12 PM

What do you guys think about Mike Adams in the 2 to play RT?

Nightfyre 01-24-2012 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8324424)
What do you guys think about Mike Adams in the 2 to play RT?

I think Mike Adams goes in the first round. But if he's there in the second, its a no-brainer, imo.

milkman 01-25-2012 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 8323728)
"right 53", and Jared Mayo an ILB #7 doesn't have alot positional value but he fit.

You're a ****ing idiot.

Saccopoo 01-25-2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8314809)
I viewed Albert as a guy that had a floor of an exceptional LG, but the ceiling of an all pro left tackle.

I understood that he was a project but that he had ELITE tools and was worth some patience.

All in all, I liked the pick.

Please, don't try to dig yourself deeper and make a comparison to Reynolds here.

Albert, for his first three seasons as a starting left tackle, had been downright atrocious.

He was okay this past season. Not good. Okay. Middle of the pack at best.

That's a far cry from "exceptional" to "all-pro."

And I'm not comparing him to Reynolds. Reynolds has four years of tape at the college level working at left tackle. (Those four years netted him Freshman First Team All-American and three years All-Conference First Team.) Albert was always going to be hypothetical project as an NFL tackle that has never come close to playing to his draft pick.

When it comes to the draft, I tend to be a little more conservative. I don't like pissing away a team's future on hypotheticals. Sometimes it works, but more often it doesn't. It's why I'd rather draft Konz (who is honestly one of the "elite" level players in this draft) than DeCastro and try to convert Hudson to guard. (Hudson was a better guard in college than DeCastro anyway.) It's why I wouldn't touch Tannehill with a ten foot pole in this draft. It's why I'd take Reynolds for the right tackle spot before any other guy after the first rounders. Reynolds will be able to immediately step in and produce at the ORT. Is he an elite prospect at left tackle? Nope. But he'll be a Day 1 starter for this team at RT.

Nightfyre 01-25-2012 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8325447)
Albert, for his first three seasons as a starting left tackle, had been downright atrocious.

He was okay this past season. Not good. Okay. Middle of the pack at best.

That's a far cry from "exceptional" to "all-pro."

And I'm not comparing him to Reynolds. Reynolds has four years of tape at the college level working at left tackle. (Those four years netted him Freshman First Team All-American and three years All-Conference First Team.) Albert was always going to be hypothetical project as an NFL tackle that has never come close to playing to his draft pick.

When it comes to the draft, I tend to be a little more conservative. I don't like pissing away a team's future on hypotheticals. Sometimes it works, but more often it doesn't. It's why I'd rather draft Konz (who is honestly one of the "elite" level players in this draft) than DeCastro and try to convert Hudson to guard. (Hudson was a better guard in college than DeCastro anyway.) It's why I wouldn't touch Tannehill with a ten foot pole in this draft. It's why I'd take Reynolds for the right tackle spot before any other guy after the first rounders. Reynolds will be able to immediately step in and produce at the ORT. Is he an elite prospect at left tackle? Nope. But he'll be a Day 1 starter for this team at RT.

Your anti-Albertism is at a hilarious level. Also, DeCastro is a far more elite prospect than Konz. I don't know where you come up with this shit, but its sad.

the Talking Can 01-25-2012 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8325447)
Albert, for his first three seasons as a starting left tackle, had been downright atrocious.

I've said it before, but you must be wearing these when you watch football:

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbvie...eyeglasses.jpg

Nightfyre 01-25-2012 12:52 PM

I think I will spend my 9000th post berating sacc's line play assessment.

BossChief 01-26-2012 12:57 AM

When I read shit like this:
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8325447)
Albert, for his first three seasons as a starting left tackle, had been downright atrocious.

He was okay this past season. Not good. Okay. Middle of the pack at best.

That's a far cry from "exceptional" to "all-pro."

And I'm not comparing him to Reynolds. Reynolds has four years of tape at the college level working at left tackle. (Those four years netted him Freshman First Team All-American and three years All-Conference First Team.) Albert was always going to be hypothetical project as an NFL tackle that has never come close to playing to his draft pick.

When it comes to the draft, I tend to be a little more conservative. I don't like pissing away a team's future on hypotheticals. Sometimes it works, but more often it doesn't. It's why I'd rather draft Konz (who is honestly one of the "elite" level players in this draft) than DeCastro and try to convert Hudson to guard. (Hudson was a better guard in college than DeCastro anyway.) It's why I wouldn't touch Tannehill with a ten foot pole in this draft. It's why I'd take Reynolds for the right tackle spot before any other guy after the first rounders. Reynolds will be able to immediately step in and produce at the ORT. Is he an elite prospect at left tackle? Nope. But he'll be a Day 1 starter for this team at RT.

All I can do is ROFL

Bewbies 01-26-2012 01:08 AM

DeCastro is elite, worth a high 1, not as good as Hudson, a mid/low 2. LMAO

Saccopoo 01-26-2012 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8325499)
Your anti-Albertism is at a hilarious level. Also, DeCastro is a far more elite prospect than Konz. I don't know where you come up with this shit, but its sad.

Konz, as a junior, is, by far and away, the best center in this draft. He is the best true center prospect since Alex Mack. That is elite.

DeCastro is a guard that played in front of one of the best college quarterbacks of recent memory. A guard.

When you consider that Jon Martin, Dave DeCastro, Colby Fleener are all being talked about as "best at their position" when playing in front of a guy like Luck, one has to consider if it's Luck that's really, really good, or is it all these other guys that are "elite" level players.

Case in point, remember when all those guys from North Carolina State's defensive line got drafted in the first couple of rounds a couple of years back? Yeah, those same guys that played on the same line with Mario Williams.

Oh, yeah. Also, for Chief fans, remember that Ryan Sims guy, who tore it up at the Senior Bowl and who played next to some guy named Julius Peppers?

Exactly.

Maybe it's Martin, Fleener and DeCastro that are "elite" and they've been carrying Luck for the past couple of seasons.

Yeah, that's it...Luck is just been riding on these guys coat tails and he's completely overrated.

And I'm not saying that DeCastro sucks. He's had a very nice career. It's just that it's hard to evaluate a guy like that when you have a guy like Luck as a quarterback.

As well, I'm curious why he never got moved over to the center position in college when that's what he played in high school and was so highly rated for at that stage.

jd1020 01-26-2012 08:26 AM

You could say the same thing about Konz who played infront of Russell Wilson, who passed for over 10 ypa, completed 72% of his passes, and threw for 33 TDs this year. And Montee Ball, who rushed for nearly 2000 yards and scored 33 TDs.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-26-2012 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8327838)
You could say the same thing about Konz who played infront of Russell Wilson, who passed for over 10 ypa, completed 72% of his passes, and threw for 33 TDs this year. And Montee Ball, who rushed for nearly 2000 yards and scored 33 TDs.

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