So Willie Davis and J.J. Birden can be mentioned in the same breath as Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne?

Please elaborate on your thinking as I'm really trying to see your point.

No,my argument is that overall his postseason record is the worst in NFL history.

And Trent Green never won a playoff game in KC and IT WAS ALL HIS FAULT.

It's would be nice to have a post season record but we have Matt Cassel.

I'm talking the team as a whole. KC's defense was much better than anything the Colts have put together in the last decade. Other than 2 blowouts in '94, the KC defense held teams to low scores.

I bet you can hardly wait for puberty, huh?

FWIW,do you realize Trent Dilfer also had 3 td passes in the Ravens 2000 postseason run to the Super Bowl championship?

I'm not going to get into a discussion that involves Trent ****ing Dilfer. Those tend to get really reeruned really quickly.

Kind of like the "you don't need to draft a QB in the first because of Tom Brady" arguments.

hahahahahaha what

nzoner, you are a hoot and a holler

I'm just giving you the facts,you brought the great defense into the discussion and I simply showed you that in Manning's one Super Bowl run and win his td numbers were the same as Trent ****ing Dilfer.

WTF is the hatred for the Manning family all about, they run over your kitty or something? I could understand if you were a pats fan or something and the brothers kept spanking you but aside from that, seems like a pretty good family.

Like I said in the OP just can't really explain it,however,from an NFL postseason stats perspective I have updated the OP with a very good read.

See you later

My problems with Manning.

- Injury aside, there comes a time when age catches up to players. It catches up quickly. There is a reason why teams that are fairly well managed give up on their "star" QBs and move on.

- The injury. His neck isn't the issue. It's the nerve. Will it regenerate? Even if it does heal, could physical contact inflame the area and cause it to degrade again? I understand he receives the best medical care that money can buy, but I don't think anyone can offer any type of reasonable guaranty regarding his nerve. There is a reason why he hasn't thrown the ball in public the last year or so.

- The system. Is Daboll familiar with Manning's system? Anyone other than arguable Lilja (who everyone wants replaced) and Jim Bo Bob good ole boy? A rusty QB, no players familiar with the system, a new OC, KC incumbents having a 4th OC in 4 years. It just doesn't spell smooth transition.

- The affect. Will it cause Hunt/Pioli not to address QBOTF early in any coming drafts? If Manning can't play, will KC face a similar fate as the Colts with no other QB able to play the system? Don't say, 'hey KC will have the 1st draft pick then' because as a Chiefs fan you know we don't have that luck. KC's D will be good enough to win 7 or so games and keep the team out of the top 5.

- Has bringing in a very aged QB been effective for other teams in recent history, or do the better teams draft and develop? You know the answer.

He has a post season record. It's 0-1. I'll take Peyton and his playoff record please.