Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 8874527)

Clay is undervalued around here the same way he undervalues Arenas.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8874488)

A top 5 returner and one of the better nickel cover corners as well as an effective Blitzer isn't worth a mid-late second rounder in today's NFL?

Answer: yes, it is.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8874488)

A top 5 returner and one of the better nickel cover corners as well as an effective Blitzer isn't worth a mid-late second rounder in today's NFL?

Answer: yes, it is.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8874566)

over actual starting 3 down players it isnt. Taking Arenas before guys like Terrance Cody, Sean Lee, Pat Angerer, Brandon Spikes, Ben Tate, is a laughable joke.

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8874574)

Who the hell on the roster is a "top 5 returner"?

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8874579)

You can find a guy like Arenas in the 3rd or 4th round.

He was overdrafted, period.

Maybe if he brought Hester-like value to the return game, he'd be worth that pick. He doesn't.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8874611)

Of guys that had more than 15 punt returns last year, Javier Arenas had THE THIRD HIGHEST AVERAGE.

Only Devin Hester and Patrick Peterson had a higher average per return in the whole NFL.

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8874579)

You can find a guy like Arenas in the 3rd or 4th round.

He was overdrafted, period.

Maybe if he brought Hester-like value to the return game, he'd be worth that pick. He doesn't.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8874644)

That's just ignorant and I'm pretty sure you know it.

Here is a list of CBs that were drafted between 2010 and 2012 in the third and fourth round.

Less than a handful are better than Arenas STRICTLY AS A CORNER and once you figure in the ability to blitz and his ability as a returner...to call it a bad pick is straight up lame and ignorant.

2012
2 62 Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt Green Bay Packers
3 65 Trumaine Johnson CB Montana St. Louis Rams
3 66 Josh Robinson CB Central Florida Minnesota Vikings
3 80 Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma Arizona Cardinals
3 85 Dwight Bentley CB Louisiana-Lafayette Detroit Lions
3 94 Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech New York Giants
4 101 Omar Bolden CB Arizona State Denver Broncos
4 115 Coty Sensabaugh CB Clemson Tennessee Titans
4 123 Brandon Boykin CB Georgia Philadelphia Eagles
4 124 Ron Brooks CB LSU Buffalo Bills

2011
3 80 Chris Culliver DB South Carolina San Francisco 49ers
3 81 DeMarcus Van Dyke DB Miami (Fla.) Oakland Raiders
3 88 Johnny Patrick DB Louisville New Orleans Saints
3 89 Shareece Wright DB USC San Diego Chargers
3 90 Curtis Marsh DB Utah State Philadelphia Eagles
3 93 Chris Conte DB California Chicago Bears
3 95 Curtis Brown DB Texas Pittsburgh Steelers
4 98 Brandon Hogan CB West Virginia Carolina Panthers
4 100 Da'Norris Searcy DB North Carolina Buffalo Bills
4 108 Quinton Carter DB Oklahoma Denver Broncos
4 113 Chimdi Chekwa DB Ohio State Oakland Raiders
4 118 Jalil Brown DB Colorado Kansas City Chiefs
4 121 Chris Prosinski DB Wyoming Jacksonville Jaguars
4 127 Rashad Carmichael DB Virginia Tech Houston Texans
4 128 Cortez Allen DB The Citadel Pittsburgh Steelers

2010
3 65 Jerome Murphy DB South Florida St. Louis Rams
3 67 Myron Lewis DB Vanderbilt Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3 75 Major Wright DB Florida Chicago Bears
3 94 Kevin Thomas DB USC Indianapolis Colts
3 96 Brandon Ghee DB Wake Forest Cincinnati Bengals
4 104 Alterraun Verner CB UCLA Tennessee Titans
4 105 Trevard Lindley DB Kentucky Philadelphia Eagles
4 110 Darrell Stuckey DB Kansas San Diego Chargers
4 111 Walter Thurmond CB Oregon Seattle Seahawks
4 126 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah DB Indiana (PA) Dallas Cowboys

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8874652)

I wouldn't say it was a BAD pick.

I would just say he was drafted a little too high.

It's not like Arenas sucks or anything. He's good at what he does. He's not Dexter McCluster. I appreciate what Arenas does for our team.

But when you draft a corner that high, he should absolutely have the ability to be a starter, or at least a spot starter.

It's OK to make a pick like Arenas when you are nailing your other high picks.

Pioli doesn't, unfortunately.

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8874638)

Give me a break dude, his long was 35 yards and he scored exactly ZERO TDs in punts or kickoffs. I think Stanzimania has affected your reasoning

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8874537)

LMAO

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8874579)

You can find a guy like Arenas in the 3rd or 4th round.

He was overdrafted, period.

Maybe if he brought Hester-like value to the return game, he'd be worth that pick. He doesn't.