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Rausch 07-03-2013 11:24 AM

I've watched this a number of times.

There appears to be no reason for the Cops to arrest him. They can use vulgar statements and other nonsense to try and validate it but without a threat there's no cause.

(the sound is total $#it so that's possible.)

As far as the dog I'm not getting my ass chomped. I don't carry outside the home but if your dog comes at me it's dead.

Period.

If it were some small breed clearly there's no fear to life or limb. With a large breed there's no way to know how the owner has raised that animal or will react.

Your dumb ass got your dog shot. For no reason.

Where's the hate on that?....

jspchief 07-04-2013 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9790117)
If the radio was the issue the cops should have immediately walked up to the car and turned it off.

The police are using the loud radio as an after the fact excuse. It wasn't a dangerous situation. All the cops are walking around not taking cover, no body armor, etc. Civilians are all around in their yards taping, etc. Nobody is being told to get inside. The guy was being an idiot, but there was no reason to arrest him.

See this is what I have an issue with. Yeah, I can see the argument that the cop had a right to protect himself from the dog. My problem is with the way things were handled leading up to it.

Imo the police have an obligation to try and diffuse the situation. In this case they appeared as ready to escalate things as the dirtbag dog owner. Part of their job is to deal with the dregs of society. It shouldn't be free license to throw gas on every fire, only to turn around and resort to deadly force when things get too hot.

Does a policeman have a right to protect himself? Sure. But he better have exercised every option before he starts popping off gunfire in a neighborhood and shooting ****ing dogs.

LoneWolf 07-04-2013 08:26 AM

How did the police escalate this situation? They asked the guy to turn his music down. He didn't comply and it appears like they were willing to let it go until he started yelling at them. They walked over to him and were going to give him what he wanted all along which was to be arrested. While cuffing him they weren't aggressive and take him to the ground and it didn't look like they were even yelling at him.

The dog owner is an obvious dirtbag who was chasing a lawsuit and unfortunately it cost his dog its life.

jspchief 07-04-2013 08:31 AM

If the police arrested every dirtbag that yelled at them that's all they'd ever have time to do.

Let's not confuse having to put up with an asshole with justification for deadly force.

Bugeater 07-04-2013 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9792125)
See this is what I have an issue with. Yeah, I can see the argument that the cop had a right to protect himself from the dog. My problem is with the way things were handled leading up to it.

Imo the police have an obligation to try and diffuse the situation. In this case they appeared as ready to escalate things as the dirtbag dog owner. Part of their job is to deal with the dregs of society. It shouldn't be free license to throw gas on every fire, only to turn around and resort to deadly force when things get too hot.

Does a policeman have a right to protect himself? Sure. But he better have exercised every option before he starts popping off gunfire in a neighborhood and shooting ****ing dogs.

How do you know they didn't? It's not clear what all they said to him, and one of the linked articles mentioned previous run-ins with the law. It's entirely possible they already knew who they were dealing with. There comes a point where you can't keep cutting people slack.

LoneWolf 07-04-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9792162)
If the police arrested every dirtbag that yelled at them that's all they'd ever have time to do.

Let's not confuse having to put up with an asshole with justification for deadly force.

If they would have shot the guy instead of the dog, then your justification of deadly force argument would be valid. They had justification to shoot the dog since it was trying to attack them.

I'm sorry, but yelling at cops after they've asked you to do something that is legal for them to ask you to do is going to get you arrested every time. According to eyewitness accounts the man yelled "it's my ****ing radio" when he was asked to turn it down. That is blatant noncompliance and will get you arrested every time.

AussieChiefsFan 07-04-2013 08:58 AM

Ended badly, but the owner can't really be complaining, let alone suing the department, it's really his own fault.

Iowanian 07-04-2013 09:04 AM

tablet is right.

The cops should have stopped what they were doing, laid down and rolled over and showed the dog their belly to show him they weren't going to hurt him and respect his territory....and maybe bent over so the dog could sniff their arses.


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