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Three7s 06-15-2015 09:43 AM

I'm not sure how I feel about the All-Star game being primarily Royals starters. Normally, I'd be thrilled, but this offense just isn't good right now. I just hope they don't get no-hit or something.

Nightfyre 06-15-2015 09:44 AM

But how would it affect the power rankings if the all Royals team beat the NL ?

ChiefsCountry 06-15-2015 10:03 AM

MLB is actually probably loving seeing all the Royals in the lead for a couple of reasons.

A) All Star Game voting is getting huge PR right now, media bitching left and right in all of the MLB cities and nationwide
B) Other fan bases will soon start voting like crazy = more interest in the event
C) Small market thriving = good for sport in general
D) Royals do have some marketable players: Hosmer, Cain, and Perez would be major superstars in a large market. Especially with advertisers in the case of Hosmer and Cain.

srvy 06-15-2015 11:16 AM

I would love to read thru all these posts but I am way to busy voting kc Royals players into asg.

BWillie 06-15-2015 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 11549477)
Morales also has more hits, more doubles, and fewer strikeouts than both. He has more total bases than Bautista and about the same total bases as Rodriguez (4 fewer bases in 5 fewer plate appearances).

So basically, Bautista and Rodriguez have a few more homers and more walks, therefore Morales doesn't deserve to "sniff" the All-Star Game.

Right. And a much higher OPS. If all players don't really get SBs, OPS is really the only thing that should matter to gauge an offensive player.

duncan_idaho 06-15-2015 12:41 PM

Arguing about Bautista vs. Morales is irrelevant, since Bautista is on the ballot as an OF. He isn't listed as a DH.

Alex Rodriguez IS listed as a DH, so he can be discussed. The three guys who deserve the most talk for the ASG at that spot are A-Rod, Morales and Cruz.

I have no problem saying Cruz deserves the nod in the starting spot.

But A-Rod? Much more of a borderline thing with Morales. Yeah, he has 5 more HR. But some of that is due to the ballpark factor - he has three Yankee stadium home runs.

Take those away, and his OPS drops right back into the same arena as Morales. So I've got no problem with considering the two in the same realm of consideration as All-Stars.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-15-2015 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11549737)
Arguing about Bautista vs. Morales is irrelevant, since Bautista is on the ballot as an OF. He isn't listed as a DH.

Alex Rodriguez IS listed as a DH, so he can be discussed. The three guys who deserve the most talk for the ASG at that spot are A-Rod, Morales and Cruz.

I have no problem saying Cruz deserves the nod in the starting spot.

But A-Rod? Much more of a borderline thing with Morales. Yeah, he has 5 more HR. But some of that is due to the ballpark factor - he has three Yankee stadium home runs.

Take those away, and his OPS drops right back into the same arena as Morales. So I've got no problem with considering the two in the same realm of consideration as All-Stars.


Rodriguez's ISO is almost 60 points higher than Morales. That's not just a function of Yankee Stadium.

He also draws 70% more walks than Morales and his wRC is 20% higher. There isn't a single advanced metric that supports Morales' candidacy.

Fielder has also hit significantly better than Morales as well. So take Bautista out of it. His numbers still don't stack up to Cruz, Fielder, or Rodriguez.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-15-2015 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 11549338)
Since Hamas and others seem to think ARoid and Bautista are 'significantly better' then Morales this year, here's the numbers:

1. Bautista - 57 games, 11 HR, 38 RBI, .246 avg, .871 OPS

2. ARoid - 59 games, 12 HR, 32 RBI, .268 avg, .873 OPS

3. Morales- 59 games, 7 HR, 41 RBI, .281 avg, .809 OPS


So now everyone is aware just how much 'better' Bautista and ARoid are than Morales.

Counting stats. Quick, tell me what else happened today in the Iranian Hostage Crisis.

BWillie 06-15-2015 01:20 PM

Early numbers....

Moose 6.5M, Donaldson 4.8M
Hosmer 5.7M, Cabrera 5.3M
Morales 5.4M, Cruz 4.8M
Cain 6.6M, Trout 5.9M, Gordon 5.6M.....Rios 3.9M, Adam Jones 3.2M
Infante apparently has a 300k lead over Altuve

TomBarndtsTwin 06-15-2015 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11549783)
Rodriguez's ISO is almost 60 points higher than Morales. That's not just a function of Yankee Stadium.

He also draws 70% more walks than Morales and his wRC is 20% higher. There isn't a single advanced metric that supports Morales' candidacy.

Fielder has also hit significantly better than Morales as well. So take Bautista out of it. His numbers still don't stack up to Cruz, Fielder, or Rodriguez.

Fielder listed as 1B on All-Star ballot, so irrelevant.

And most of America hates ARoid (outside of NY), so there's a reason he's not getting a lot of votes. Nobody wants to see him in an All-Star game. As much as people want to see Cruz over Morales, I'm sure most would rather see Morales there over ARoid and the voting seems to reflect that. Unlike Cruz, ARoids not even close on votes.


Too bad for him.

TomBarndtsTwin 06-15-2015 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11549788)
Counting stats. Quick, tell me what else happened today in the Iranian Hostage Crisis.

You seem awful upset and committed to this anti-Royals argument.

Are you just mad there aren't 7 Cardinals leading the voting at their positions?


Perhaps you should go to MLB.com and vote more?

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-15-2015 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 11549793)
Fielder listed as 1B on All-Star ballot, so irrelevant.

And most of America hates ARoid (outside of NY), so there's a reason he's not getting a lot of votes. Nobody wants to see him in an All-Star game. As much as people want to see Cruz over Morales, I'm sure most would rather see Morales there over ARoid and the voting seems to reflect that. Unlike Cruz, ARoids not even close on votes.


Too bad for him.

Fielder has also appeared at 1B 10 times this year and there's this thing called a write-in, so no, it's not irrelevant.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-15-2015 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 11549798)
You seem awful upset and committed to this anti-Royals argument.

Are you just mad there aren't 7 Cardinals leading the voting at their positions?


Perhaps you should go to MLB.com and vote more?

I'm glad you idiots are doing it because it increases the chance that the NL will have HFA in the WS.

I don't need to be mad that seven Cardinals aren't leading their positions because the game isn't about stacking the team with shitty players, something I've learned since I have been watching baseball for more than eight months.

TomBarndtsTwin 06-15-2015 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11549799)
Fielder has also appeared at 1B 10 times this year and there's this thing called a write-in, so no, it's not irrelevant.

So . . . . . you're suggesting there needs to be 2+ million 'write-in' votes for Fielder for All-Star DH?!?


Good luck with that campaign.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-15-2015 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 11549806)
So . . . . . you're suggesting there needs to be 2+ million 'write-in' votes for Fielder for All-Star DH?!?


Good luck with that campaign.

I'm not suggesting that there needs to be anything. I'm showing you that there is an easy mechanism by which it could happen, but you're clearly too ****ing stupid to understand that, and your infantile failings of grasping the obvious are mirrored in the "knowledge" of the game that you've displayed, by making an argument that Morales is somehow on the level of others due to his BA and RBI totals.

Go sit at the kids table.


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