Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16223881)

You're pushing all of that money down the road.

Clark's $1.2m is NOTHING. Just disregard that. It's SO not important, and harping on it just shows that you're reacting emotionally and not logically. Emotionally, I want that ****er GONE, I'm so sick of his shit. Logically, I understand that we're paying $1.2m this season for a rotational DE piece rather than having to fill TWO spots as we would if we released him. Clark is no longer important. He's filling a space for $1.2m. Re-sign Ward for what, $14m per? WAIT YOU SAY-JUST STRUCTURE THIS YEAR'S HIT TO BE LOWER!-yeah, well, that means next year or the year after the cap hit is huge. Pay now, or pay later, but either way, YOU GOT TO PAY.

Reid is 25, cheaper than what Mathieu wanted, so we got younger, bigger, faster, and cheaper. THAT is a good signing.

I've made my opinions about paying second contracts at market value for boundary corners pretty clear, I think, so no way I pay Ward that. But if you do, you pretty much guarantee that you won't be able to pay Sneed when it's time, because you had to push Ward's money out to fit it in '22-and I would stand on the table and argue loudly that Sneed is a more important piece because of his versatility. So you can pay Ward now, or Sneed later, but probably not both.

Do you understand now? No, I guess not.

I'm tired of arguing with you, because you're just stubbornly refusing to see logic. I was VERY surprised that Veach and Andy went this way, but I'm impressed as hell that they were able to see that it needed to be done.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16223891)

Yeah....that plan for fixing the defense was going to take 2 years because we didn't have a ton of money or a ton of picks.

It definitely wasn't "throw some UDFA DEs" on the roster and roll to another Super Bowl.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16223900)

I also would draft a DE in the first round so I'm not all the way reliant on those UDFA DEs. If they pop, great. If they don't, oh well, can't produce any less than Frank Clark. So what's the loss?

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16223854)

I'm bringing in 2 UDFA DEs or roster bubble DEs to replace Clark. Worst case they give me about the same level of production and are much cheaper and younger. Best case, they pop. Isn't that the whole point of rebuilding/younger movement?

And how is creating another hole by trading the 2nd best player on the team really helping the team? Are we assuming that he's going to hit on every draft pick and that will fill the big holes in the team including Tyreek being gone?

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16223900)

I also would draft a DE in the first round so I'm not all the way reliant on those UDFA DEs. If they pop, great. If they don't, oh well, can't produce any less than Frank Clark. So what's the loss?

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16223906)

Sweet....so now you've got what....a rookie, Danna and Kaindoh as your DEs....plus throw in some UDFA DEs to round it out.

How are you fixing the CB position? Because you aren't bringing back Ward and signing Reid.

You know what....lay out your perfect off season with cap numbers so we can see what amazing team you would have built.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16223900)

I also would draft a DE in the first round so I'm not all the way reliant on those UDFA DEs. If they pop, great. If they don't, oh well, can't produce any less than Frank Clark. So what's the loss?

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16223918)

Something like this would do:

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=342563

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16223916)

Oh they can ABSOLUTELY produce less than Clark.

Clark hasn't lived up to his contract, but he's still a legitimate NFL player. He's just not great.

UDFA's are, for the most part, not legitimate NFL players. That's why they were undrafted.

I can't believe this has to be explained to you.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16223894)

Yeah I understand you're pushing money down the road. That's literally why Mahomes structured his contract the way he did. So that until 2027, we always have 5 years to spread out the hit.

If pushing money down the road was such a concern, why did we restructure Thuneys contract? That adds more per year to the cap than if we restucured Mahomes seeing as how he only has 4 years left on his deal.

And if money is a concern, you're not bringing Frank Clark back and having him cost you extra money next year when he's off the roster. That's just stupid if your whole thing is getting cheaper and younger. Clark is neither of those and worst of all, he's not even good. Not even average.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16223925)

Yeah that's why you take a chance on them.

You're really defending bringing back the most underperforming and most overpaid player on the team right now. And paying him next year also when he 100% won't be on the team. That's wild.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16223920)

WITH. WHAT. MONEY.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16223894)

And if money is a concern, you're not bringing Frank Clark back and having him cost you extra money next year when he's off the roster. That's just stupid if your whole thing is getting cheaper and younger. Clark is neither of those and worst of all, he's not even good. Not even average.