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tredadda 09-27-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17132703)
It's unlikely that KC blows them out, not vs. that defense. It'll probably be a convincing win, more than two scores at the end, but odds are against putting a 40-burger on them. Probably look something like the LAR game from last season, 26-9 or whatever. Game won't be competitive, because Zach isn't a NFL QB (ranked 31st? in QBR/Passer Rating), but probably KC isn't scoring a lot of TDs.


Sorry, his QBR is 26.7, 34th rated QB, only Fields is worse.

Are you new to watching KC football?

FloridaMan88 09-27-2023 04:01 PM

Chris Jones a limited practice participant today… sore groin.

raybec 4 09-27-2023 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17133099)
Chris Jones a limited practice participant today… sore groin.

If you were carrying that massive hog around your groin would get sore too.

Megatron96 09-27-2023 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17133082)
Are you new to watching KC football?



Just a feeling.

tredadda 09-27-2023 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17133116)
Just a feeling.

Um ok then.

Megatron96 09-27-2023 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17133120)
Um ok then.



Lol, okay fine.


Here's the thing:


Saleh is not an idiot. And he's played us now, what, three times? Maybe this is the third.

He had KC on the ropes in SBLIV, and then WASP happened.

Then in 2020 or 2021 we played them in the regular season and I think we blew them out, iirc. I don't remember the particulars of the game right now, but I think it wasn't really an apples-to-apples contest for some reason. Injuries, or whatever.

But now he's lost at least twice to KC.

He's going to change the plan, some kind of scorched Earth type of deal. Whatever that ends up looking like, he's going to take Travis away somehow, and i think he has the defense and the personnel to limit Kelce.

Then there's that DL of theirs. It's not just the 1s, who are really good straight across, but the 2s are also pretty good. It's like there's no letdown when they sub. So we're going to find out just how good our new OTs really are. And then Smith has been a little up and down this season as well, so we'll have to see how he holds up.

Oh, and they're really good vs the run as well. The total stats won't show that, of course, because the reality is that once a team gets up by a TD on the Jets, they all can just run the ball for the entire second half or whatever, and the total numbers just start piling up.

Note: because of Zach's ineptitude, the NYJ defense has already spent an entire extra half of a game on the field (+33 snaps?), but it's so early in the season i don't think that's going to hurt them that much. If it were Week 14 or something, that defense will have played probably an extra 3-4 games (200-270 snaps) by then, and that would almost certainly make a difference.

Anyway, when you watch them, they play the run pretty well. They just spend way too much time on the field because their offense sucks ass.

Then after all that, they still have Sauce and Moseley (sp?) and a couple others in the secondary that can really play.

So my feeling is that Travis is going to get mugged like no other, and we're going to find out if our WRs can get open consistently against a top-3 defense, and maybe the best secondary we'll face all season.

So then if we look at how KC did in the regular season last year against top-5 defenses:

BUF: L

SF: W, but iirc, they had several key players that returned from injury that week, including Bosa? And I think one of their starting DLs didn't play in that game or something.

CIN: L

And then there was the LAR game, and even though the Rams only brought back 5 starters on that defense after the SB, that was enough to allow the Chiefs just one offensive TD, and forced KC to kick 4 FGs in the RZ.


It's still early, and Pat and the WRs are not quite on the same page yet, and this is not a defense to "get right" against, imo.

And just looking at the performances of the WRs over the first three games of 2023, they were pretty pedestrian, against what were two NFL average defenses and one bottom tier one. In other words, they didn't show out against middling/poor units, and now they're going up against a top-5 unit.


So, my gut says that we'll score one, maybe two TDs, and kick a bunch of FGs. Whatever mix of scoring, it'll be enough to beat NYJ, because Zach Wilson is rotten ass.


But it's probably going to be relatively low-scoring, and probably very physical, especially for Travis and our new OTs, who have been receiving far too much unwanted attention of late.


I just don't feel a blowout for KC this week. 100% certain of a W, just not by 20 points.

MahomesMagic 09-27-2023 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17133182)
Lol, okay fine.


Here's the thing:


Saleh is not an idiot. And he's played us now, what, three times? Maybe this is the third.

He had KC on the ropes in SBLIV, and then WASP happened.

Then in 2020 or 2021 we played them in the regular season and I think we blew them out, iirc. I don't remember the particulars of the game right now, but I think it wasn't really an apples-to-apples contest for some reason. Injuries, or whatever.

But now he's lost at least twice to KC.

He's going to change the plan, some kind of scorched Earth type of deal. Whatever that ends up looking like, he's going to take Travis away somehow, and i think he has the defense and the personnel to limit Kelce.

Then there's that DL of theirs. It's not just the 1s, who are really good straight across, but the 2s are also pretty good. It's like there's no letdown when they sub. So we're going to find out just how good our new OTs really are. And then Smith has been a little up and down this season as well, so we'll have to see how he holds up.

Oh, and they're really good vs the run as well. The total stats won't show that, of course, because the reality is that once a team gets up by a TD on the Jets, they all can just run the ball for the entire second half or whatever, and the total numbers just start piling up.

Note: because of Zach's ineptitude, the NYJ defense has already spent an entire extra half of a game on the field (+33 snaps?), but it's so early in the season i don't think that's going to hurt them that much. If it were Week 14 or something, that defense will have played probably an extra 3-4 games (200-270 snaps) by then, and that would almost certainly make a difference.

Anyway, when you watch them, they play the run pretty well. They just spend way too much time on the field because their offense sucks ass.

Then after all that, they still have Sauce and Moseley (sp?) and a couple others in the secondary that can really play.

So my feeling is that Travis is going to get mugged like no other, and we're going to find out if our WRs can get open consistently against a top-3 defense, and maybe the best secondary we'll face all season.

So then if we look at how KC did in the regular season last year against top-5 defenses:

BUF: L

SF: W, but iirc, they had several key players that returned from injury that week, including Bosa? And I think one of their starting DLs didn't play in that game or something.

CIN: L

And then there was the LAR game, and even though the Rams only brought back 5 starters on that defense after the SB, that was enough to allow the Chiefs just one offensive TD, and forced KC to kick 4 FGs in the RZ.


It's still early, and Pat and the WRs are not quite on the same page yet, and this is not a defense to "get right" against, imo.

And just looking at the performances of the WRs over the first three games of 2023, they were pretty pedestrian, against what were two NFL average defenses and one bottom tier one. In other words, they didn't show out against middling/poor units, and now they're going up against a top-5 unit.


So, my gut says that we'll score one, maybe two TDs, and kick a bunch of FGs. Whatever mix of scoring, it'll be enough to beat NYJ, because Zach Wilson is rotten ass.


But it's probably going to be relatively low-scoring, and probably very physical, especially for Travis and our new OTs, who have been receiving far too much unwanted attention of late.


I just don't feel a blowout for KC this week. 100% certain of a W, just not by 20 points.

Jets DL very good but they aren't the DL we faced against the 49es in the SB.

Think playing SF last year.

493rd 09-27-2023 05:32 PM

I’ll be happy if we make it out of this one with a W and no injuries. I expect to get the best version of this Jets team with Rodgers and Wilson trying to rally the troops this week.

tredadda 09-27-2023 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17133182)
Lol, okay fine.


Here's the thing:


Saleh is not an idiot. And he's played us now, what, three times? Maybe this is the third.

He had KC on the ropes in SBLIV, and then WASP happened.

Then in 2020 or 2021 we played them in the regular season and I think we blew them out, iirc. I don't remember the particulars of the game right now, but I think it wasn't really an apples-to-apples contest for some reason. Injuries, or whatever.

But now he's lost at least twice to KC.

He's going to change the plan, some kind of scorched Earth type of deal. Whatever that ends up looking like, he's going to take Travis away somehow, and i think he has the defense and the personnel to limit Kelce.

Then there's that DL of theirs. It's not just the 1s, who are really good straight across, but the 2s are also pretty good. It's like there's no letdown when they sub. So we're going to find out just how good our new OTs really are. And then Smith has been a little up and down this season as well, so we'll have to see how he holds up.

Oh, and they're really good vs the run as well. The total stats won't show that, of course, because the reality is that once a team gets up by a TD on the Jets, they all can just run the ball for the entire second half or whatever, and the total numbers just start piling up.

Note: because of Zach's ineptitude, the NYJ defense has already spent an entire extra half of a game on the field (+33 snaps?), but it's so early in the season i don't think that's going to hurt them that much. If it were Week 14 or something, that defense will have played probably an extra 3-4 games (200-270 snaps) by then, and that would almost certainly make a difference.

Anyway, when you watch them, they play the run pretty well. They just spend way too much time on the field because their offense sucks ass.

Then after all that, they still have Sauce and Moseley (sp?) and a couple others in the secondary that can really play.

So my feeling is that Travis is going to get mugged like no other, and we're going to find out if our WRs can get open consistently against a top-3 defense, and maybe the best secondary we'll face all season.

So then if we look at how KC did in the regular season last year against top-5 defenses:

BUF: L

SF: W, but iirc, they had several key players that returned from injury that week, including Bosa? And I think one of their starting DLs didn't play in that game or something.

CIN: L

And then there was the LAR game, and even though the Rams only brought back 5 starters on that defense after the SB, that was enough to allow the Chiefs just one offensive TD, and forced KC to kick 4 FGs in the RZ.


It's still early, and Pat and the WRs are not quite on the same page yet, and this is not a defense to "get right" against, imo.

And just looking at the performances of the WRs over the first three games of 2023, they were pretty pedestrian, against what were two NFL average defenses and one bottom tier one. In other words, they didn't show out against middling/poor units, and now they're going up against a top-5 unit.


So, my gut says that we'll score one, maybe two TDs, and kick a bunch of FGs. Whatever mix of scoring, it'll be enough to beat NYJ, because Zach Wilson is rotten ass.


But it's probably going to be relatively low-scoring, and probably very physical, especially for Travis and our new OTs, who have been receiving far too much unwanted attention of late.


I just don't feel a blowout for KC this week. 100% certain of a W, just not by 20 points.

Appreciate your point of view, but I still do not see what you see. Sure in the SB Wasp happened, but after that KC scored a TD and then scored TDs on their next two drives. The year after they humiliated TB's defense in the regular season. They torched the #1 Buffalo defense in the :13 seconds game. They embarrassed the SF defense last year as well as the vaunted Philly defense in the SB. Your only real argument is one regular season game against Buffalo and Cincinnati (who is not top 5, but gives this team fits). KC routinely scores and scores a lot against elite defenses.

They can't cover the TE and if game planning Kelce out was so easy he wouldn't have seven straight 1,000 yard seasons. The receivers will continue to get better and the strength of the Jets defense is their DLine which will be going up against one of the best Olines in the league (targeted penalties notwithstanding). Not saying KC will score 70 against them, but I do not see KC winning a low scoring slugfest either.

Why Not? 09-27-2023 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17132993)
Besides, it's true the Jets have a good rushing attack.

What 2023 metric are you basing this on? Or do you mean the Jets have a couple of running backs that might not totally suck? Because outside of one Hall run in week 1, they have totally sucked at running the ball.

Enid Borden 09-27-2023 05:56 PM

So Kaep sent a nice letter overflowing with feigned humility to the Jets asking for the honor to be on the practice squad. I guess he wants to be a slave again or something?

Megatron96 09-27-2023 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17133208)
Appreciate your point of view, but I still do not see what you see. Sure in the SB Wasp happened, but after that KC scored a TD and then scored TDs on their next two drives. The year after they humiliated TB's defense in the regular season. They torched the #1 Buffalo defense in the :13 seconds game. They embarrassed the SF defense last year as well as the vaunted Philly defense in the SB. Your only real argument is one regular season game against Buffalo and Cincinnati (who is not top 5, but gives this team fits). KC routinely scores and scores a lot against elite defenses.

They can't cover the TE and if game planning Kelce out was so easy he wouldn't have seven straight 1,000 yard seasons. The receivers will continue to get better and the strength of the Jets defense is their DLine which will be going up against one of the best Olines in the league (targeted penalties notwithstanding). Not saying KC will score 70 against them, but I do not see KC winning a low scoring slugfest either.



Travs did a lot of that damage when Hill and Sammy were around too. Those guys made Travis' life a lot easier.


Now, as it was last season, Travis is the only one left, and defenses no longer have to worry about another top echelon talent burning them. And w're seeing defenses play KC a lot more like any other team, playing press man and jamming at the line in particular and blanketing most/all of our WRs more often than not.

Hell, last season, the damn Broncos defense locked down the offense for 25 straight minutes. The Chargers always keep us under 30 somehow, and the Rams defense, which was 5 starters from the SB and a bunch of JAGs, kept us out of the EZ on like 5 straight trips inside the RZ.

Not saying KC can't blow them out, but I'll believe it when I see it. And on paper, this doesn't look like the team to do it against.

Jet Chip Wasp 09-27-2023 06:03 PM

A game where you can bet on us to beat the Jets and cover the spread easily! New York Jets are a poverty franchise, LMAO.

Chris Meck 09-27-2023 06:09 PM

Jets have a good defense, and it's well coached. Their offense is... well... offensive.

I don't often agree with Megatron these days, but in this case, I think he's right.

I think it's possible that The Chiefs could win this game with two field goals, Zach Wilson is THAT bad. (No matter what Mahomes Magic says.)

Saleh will try to take Kelce away and make the younguns beat them. I think they will, but it's not going to always look pretty.

Chiefs 20-3 with Pacheco having a big fourth quarter as The Jets D finally just runs out of gas.

New World Order 09-27-2023 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17133099)
Chris Jones a limited practice participant today… sore groin.

Rest em


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