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RunKC 02-07-2013 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9384189)
But he wasnt that great in it. His short - medium accuracy is an issue according to those stats just posted.

His accuracy from 1-5 yards was bad but his intermediate passes were said to be normal.

Also noticed he was the most accurate downfield passer of the entire QB class. Interesting.

fairladyZ 02-07-2013 03:18 PM

found this a little interesting.

http://distilleryimage11.s3.amazonaw...3804ec91_7.jpg

TJ McDonald and Barkley standing next to each other.
TJ is listed at 6'3" Barkley listed at 6'2".

Either TJ is severally exaggerated for his height or barkley is not as exaggerated as people thought.

fairladyZ 02-07-2013 03:33 PM

another with barrett jones listed 6'4" and Teo listed 6'2"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9Tq2EJCcAA2bv9.jpg:large

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-08-2013 01:40 PM

I don't LOVE you ho's, I'm out the do' and y'all be...

Rollin' down the street,
smokin' Wilson's pole,
sippin' on gin and juuuuuice....

WEEEE-OOOHHH-WEEEE-OOOUUUWWWWW...
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B14ckmon 02-08-2013 02:37 PM

Anyone who compares him to Cassel, is a moron. Period. There is a reason why Barkley was considered a top 10 pick going into last years draft. I don't remember anyone saying that about Casshole.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-08-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9387693)
Anyone who compares him to Cassel, is a moron. Period. There is a reason why Barkley was considered a top 10 pick going into last years draft. I don't remember anyone saying that about Casshole.

You know who he reminds me of?









Cassel.
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B14ckmon 02-08-2013 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9387710)
You know who he reminds me of?









Cassel.
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The moron comment doesn't exclude you.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-08-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9387713)
The moron comment doesn't exclude you.

Git down on my Sweet Dick, ho.
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B14ckmon 02-08-2013 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9387719)
Git down on my Sweet Dick, ho.
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Calm down Eminem. This isn't 8 Mile.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-08-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9387723)
Calm down Eminem. This isn't 8 Mile.

lol
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Pasta Little Brioni 02-08-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9387710)
You know who he reminds me of?









Cassel.
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Not at all brah. Bark's a legit prospect that has been overanalyzed and looked down upon because of past U$C rejects. He's more Palmer pre Von Olhoffen than anything.

Sorter 02-08-2013 04:23 PM

Barkley reminds me of Dalton upgraded.

Maybe a less athletic/in shape Brees.

Titty Meat 02-08-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9387904)
Barkley reminds me of Dalton upgraded.

Maybe a less athletic/in shape Brees.

Drew Brees is athletic?

Sorter 02-08-2013 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9387908)
Drew Brees is athletic?

Guy is shredded and gets out on boots/stretch plays pretty quick. Quick feet as well. He might be a midget but he's an athletic midget.

KCrockaholic 02-08-2013 10:17 PM

Barkley only completed 38% of his passes outside the hashes against Stanford. He was pressured from the interior all game long, but made some very inaccurate throws. Had both interceptions on the right hash between 11 to 20 yards downfield within just a couple minutes of eachother. On one of the interceptions it looked like he read a cover-2, but the corner played deeper than he expected and picked off the quick hitch. Had a total of 5 drops in the game as well, including a dropped touchdown by the fullback. Overall it was a poor performance. I'm not posting this to troll. Just stating film review.

fairladyZ 02-08-2013 10:22 PM

thanks for the review. I watched his tape from that game and overall it wasn't a great performance but i don't think it was a poor performance, He had constant pressure right up the gut into the pocket hence he thru alot of misdirection and screen throws cause he had no time, receivers dropped some pretty critical balls, his one INT was a miscommunication between him and his receiver that broke off the route cause the DB got to physical with him. Other was a bad throw on a misread it looked like what you said. I thought he did a good job given the circumstances and he kept his team in it for the most part.

KCrockaholic 02-08-2013 10:31 PM

I can't do the Senior Barkley stuff. It's not good stuff... Like I've said, his Junior stuff is better. I'll discuss a couple Junior games in a bit.

HolyHat 02-08-2013 10:31 PM

I've been one of Barkleys biggest doubters, and I know stats don't tell the whole story but his career stats over 47 games are impressive.

@J_Ames07: | Matt Barkley | 12,327 yards. 63.8% completion. 116 TDs 48 INTs

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-08-2013 11:05 PM

id take Barkley over Wilson or Beaker.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 02-08-2013 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9387868)
Not at all brah. Bark's a legit prospect that has been overanalyzed and looked down upon because of past U$C rejects. He's more Palmer pre Von Olhoffen than anything.

yo DO realize im ****ing with cockmon?
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fairladyZ 02-08-2013 11:28 PM

found yet another photo next to deion sanders who is listed at 6'1"
https://o.twimg.com/1/proxy.jpg?t=FQ...STYnPOLO4oOn3A

and tweeted
+1 “@DeionSanders: I Met Matt Barkley and his family tonight and he is a awesome young man. I wish him the best. Tru… http://say.ly/dBA58Fg

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-08-2013 11:38 PM

neon sandcastle ftw... THAT shit was funny.
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KCrockaholic 02-08-2013 11:58 PM

Barkley's height is not something anyone should be concerned about. Whether he's 6'2 or 6'3 doesn't matter. It never should've mattered, and it especially doesn't matter nowadays.

If he was 5'11 with that mobility I'd be worried. But 6'2 or 6'3 doesn't matter.

fairladyZ 02-09-2013 12:08 AM

i've always felt he's taller than people thought. even at 6'1" like people thought i didn't think would be a very big deal as he's got a good high release in his throwing motion..

How's the film going?

KCrockaholic 02-09-2013 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by fairladyZ (Post 9388715)
i've always felt he's taller than people thought. even at 6'1" like people thought i didn't think would be a very big deal as he's got a good high release in his throwing motion..

How's the film going?

Meh was in the middle of 2011 Stanford game and realized I needed a break.

fairladyZ 02-09-2013 12:15 AM

lol a break? but it's friday night!

KCrockaholic 02-09-2013 12:16 AM

Barkley was BORING me with his averageness alright.

fairladyZ 02-09-2013 12:17 AM

so your not walking away impressed at all i take it?

Titty Meat 02-09-2013 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9388549)
I can't do the Senior Barkley stuff. It's not good stuff... Like I've said, his Junior stuff is better. I'll discuss a couple Junior games in a bit.

His numbers were the same.

silver5liter 02-09-2013 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9388731)
Barkley was BORING me with his averageness alright.

Its because he isn't very good

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-09-2013 12:25 AM

mmmmm.....
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Pasta Little Brioni 02-09-2013 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9388612)
id take Barkley over Wilson or Beaker.Posted via Mobile Device

ROFL Apt name for that slapdick

milkman 02-09-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9387904)
Barkley reminds me of Dalton upgraded.

Maybe a less athletic/in shape Brees.

Brees is the guy that I've compared Barkley to.
Like Brees, Barkley is going to have to make his money with outstanding accuracy and anticipation.

I think he has the football IQ to do that.

ChiefMojo 02-09-2013 10:10 AM

Barkley's one saving grace when it comes to KC is the offense... we run the type of offense he has to be in (WCO). He isn't going to make it as a quality QB in this league if he is asked to be in a offense that forces him to throw down the field a lot. He is a good short to intermediate passer. He isn't going to wow you with his athletic ability but if kept clean he has high football IQ to succeed. He would be a good pick at #34 or a trade back into the back end of round one at best. He is a more polished Nassib imo.

CupidStunt 02-09-2013 10:11 AM

There should be less pictures of him standing straight and more videos of him throwing lasers. If they exist.

ChiefMojo 02-09-2013 10:43 AM

I've watch plenty of tape on all of the top QB's and one thing that stands out to me about Barkley is that his footwork in the pocket for a WCO offense is a VERY GOOD. Even when the pocket is breaking down, he does a good job of checking down to his alternate route.

The main weakness for Barkley imo is the fact he tries to force things when stuff isn't there. If coachable, he can correct many of those issues in the NFL.

The WCO offense is so much dictated on accuracy and timing. Where Barkley gets into trouble is not the initial pressure, but when he goes through his progressions and doesn't find someone... that is when he forces things. He just needs to learn to get rid of the ball better but from what I've watched on his film. He was worse doing this as a senior, compared to as a junior. I think much of that has to do with his offensive line protection and trying to do to much.

Take in mind I've never been a big Barkley fan but as I've gotten into tape of Geno, Wilson, Nassib, Barkley and Dysert (have not watched much of Glennon as he doesn't fit our offense), I've found that Barkley does hold many traits that could allow him to succeed very early in the NFL... even moreso than many of the QB's in this draft due to his knowledge of the WCO.

I'll say this, being a great athlete in the WCO isn't as important as some of the other offensive systems. Having the proper footwork, accuracy, knowing your progressions, timing and being cool under pressure is the key to being successful in the WCO... case in point why Joe Montana was so great.

If one studies up on the WCO and then applies it to this years draft class, you can understand why Barkley is a very strong possibility to be drafted by KC even if it may not be the #1 pick.

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-11-2013 11:04 AM

Matt Barkley calls the Combine “the biggest test of my life”
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 11, 2013, 7:01 AM EST
Barkley Getty Images

Matt Barkley was viewed in some circles as the likely first overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft before his senior season at USC. But that season was a disappointment, and now many people don’t think he’s a first-round pick at all.

Barkley says he needs to prove those people wrong at the Scouting Combine.

“This is probably the biggest test of my life coming up,” Barkley told the Pensacola News Journal. “This is like the SAT times thousands. I hear the whole couple days is a grind. But I am looking forward to that challenge. I am excited about it.”

After a great junior season in which he passed for 39 touchdowns and only seven interceptions, Barkley announced that he would return for his senior year and instantly became the frontrunner for the first overall pick in 2013, as well as the Heisman Trophy and the national championship. Instead, Barkley’s touchdowns declined to 36 while his interceptions more than doubled to 15, he hurt his shoulder at the end of the year and USC finished 7-6.

“It was tough in some circumstances, but I did have some great moments … some moments I will cherish,” Barkley said. “We had some unfortunate losses that put a damper on the year. But the experiences I accumulated these last couple months have prepared me better to go into the NFL right now as opposed to last year. So I wouldn’t trade it.”

Barkley says his shoulder injury has healed well enough that he can throw and will do everything at the Combine. Passing that test would go a long way toward erasing the disappointment of his senior season.

Titty Meat 02-11-2013 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9389029)
Brees is the guy that I've compared Barkley to.
Like Brees, Barkley is going to have to make his money with outstanding accuracy and anticipation.

I think he has the football IQ to do that.

I see what youre saying but I think Brees has a better arm and that makes a huge difference.

Canofbier 02-11-2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9393601)
Matt Barkley calls the Combine “the biggest test of my life”
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 11, 2013, 7:01 AM EST
Barkley Getty Images

Matt Barkley was viewed in some circles as the likely first overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft before his senior season at USC. But that season was a disappointment, and now many people don’t think he’s a first-round pick at all.

Barkley says he needs to prove those people wrong at the Scouting Combine.

“This is probably the biggest test of my life coming up,” Barkley told the Pensacola News Journal. “This is like the SAT times thousands. I hear the whole couple days is a grind. But I am looking forward to that challenge. I am excited about it.”

After a great junior season in which he passed for 39 touchdowns and only seven interceptions, Barkley announced that he would return for his senior year and instantly became the frontrunner for the first overall pick in 2013, as well as the Heisman Trophy and the national championship. Instead, Barkley’s touchdowns declined to 36 while his interceptions more than doubled to 15, he hurt his shoulder at the end of the year and USC finished 7-6.

“It was tough in some circumstances, but I did have some great moments … some moments I will cherish,” Barkley said. “We had some unfortunate losses that put a damper on the year. But the experiences I accumulated these last couple months have prepared me better to go into the NFL right now as opposed to last year. So I wouldn’t trade it.”

Barkley says his shoulder injury has healed well enough that he can throw and will do everything at the Combine. Passing that test would go a long way toward erasing the disappointment of his senior season.

Glad to hear the bold part. Geno is still my favorite, but if Barkley does well at the Combine and the Chiefs like him, I'd be happy with him as our QB. He's not the most impressive physical specimen, but he's intelligent and hard-working, and his intangibles are great. Accuracy and anticipation are very important in the NFL, and I think Barkley's arm strength is good enough. Unless he ends up on a division rival team, I'll be rooting for the guy - it's time for the USC bust streak to end.

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-15-2013 03:22 PM

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva

Mel Kiper's latest draft-eligible QB ranks: 1) Matt Barkley 2) Geno Smith 3) Mike Glennon 4) Tyler Wilson 5) Tyler Bray. (No Nassib/Manuel.)

B14ckmon 02-16-2013 02:01 PM

FYI

Matt Barkley posts on Reddit and he submitted a Harlem Shake video that the guys at IMG did;

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments..._harlem_shake/

milkman 02-16-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9393630)
I see what youre saying but I think Brees has a better arm and that makes a huge difference.

Brees' arm strength coming out was worse than Barkley's.

He did some specific drills to improve his arm after his 2nd season in the league.

He talked about those drills extensively with the morning guys on XTRA Sports out of San Diego.

His weak arm was the main reason I didn't want him when he was drafted.

htismaqe 02-16-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 9389112)
I've watch plenty of tape on all of the top QB's and one thing that stands out to me about Barkley is that his footwork in the pocket for a WCO offense is a VERY GOOD. Even when the pocket is breaking down, he does a good job of checking down to his alternate route.

The main weakness for Barkley imo is the fact he tries to force things when stuff isn't there. If coachable, he can correct many of those issues in the NFL.

The WCO offense is so much dictated on accuracy and timing. Where Barkley gets into trouble is not the initial pressure, but when he goes through his progressions and doesn't find someone... that is when he forces things. He just needs to learn to get rid of the ball better but from what I've watched on his film. He was worse doing this as a senior, compared to as a junior. I think much of that has to do with his offensive line protection and trying to do to much.

Take in mind I've never been a big Barkley fan but as I've gotten into tape of Geno, Wilson, Nassib, Barkley and Dysert (have not watched much of Glennon as he doesn't fit our offense), I've found that Barkley does hold many traits that could allow him to succeed very early in the NFL... even moreso than many of the QB's in this draft due to his knowledge of the WCO.

I'll say this, being a great athlete in the WCO isn't as important as some of the other offensive systems. Having the proper footwork, accuracy, knowing your progressions, timing and being cool under pressure is the key to being successful in the WCO... case in point why Joe Montana was so great.

If one studies up on the WCO and then applies it to this years draft class, you can understand why Barkley is a very strong possibility to be drafted by KC even if it may not be the #1 pick.

Just remember that the way Andy Reid runs the WCO and the way some others do is pretty different.

Reid likes guys with mobility and he likes to take the top off the defense. In no way does this mean Barkley isn't a fit at all but this isn't necessarily the PERFECT fit.

htismaqe 02-16-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9407458)
His weak arm was the main reason I didn't want him when he was drafted.

His weak arm plagued pretty much the whole time In SDG as well.

I remember having arguments about him here up until he got hurt. His AYPA was HORRIBLE, worse than Cassel's and Quinn's combined.

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-16-2013 03:01 PM

Cant wait for the combine end all this weak arm BS.

silver5liter 02-16-2013 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9407552)
Cant wait for the combine end all this weak arm BS.

We will see if Barkley even throws

htismaqe 02-16-2013 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9407552)
Cant wait for the combine end all this weak arm BS.

It won't end.

Anybody that's watched him play knows he doesn't have a "weak" arm.

Is his arm as strong as Glennon or Bray's, or Geno's, or even Wilson's? No.

But it's hardly weak.

For the people that still think he has a "weak" arm at this point, no amount of evidence is going to the change their mind.

milkman 02-16-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9407573)
It won't end.

Anybody that's watched him play knows he doesn't have a "weak" arm.

Is his arm as strong as Glennon or Bray's, or Geno's, or even Wilson's? No.

But it's hardly weak.

For the people that still think he has a "weak" arm at this point, no amount of evidence is going to the change their mind.

It's average arm.

Not going to wow you, but he won't remid you of Pennigton.

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-16-2013 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9407571)
We will see if Barkley even throws

He said he's already throwing

milkman 02-16-2013 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9407596)
He said he's already throwing

Kind of stupid.

No one else is in Indy yet.

BossChief 02-16-2013 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9407586)
It's average arm.

Not going to wow you, but he won't remid you of Pennigton.

Before the surgeries, it does.

Pennington was pretty damn good before all the shoulder trouble.

milkman 02-16-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9407611)
Before the surgeries, it does.

Pennington was pretty damn good before all the shoulder trouble.

Even before the shoulder injuries, Pennington had just about the weakest arm in the Nfl.

BossChief 02-16-2013 03:32 PM

Barkley won't have a stronger arm than many starting quarterbacks, either.

milkman 02-16-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9407651)
Barkley won't have a stronger arm than many starting quarterbacks, either.

:banghead:

BossChief 02-16-2013 03:43 PM

I know we would be having a chiefs sills style discussion, but tell me the starting NFL qbs that Barkley will have a stronger arm than. I don't think it's a stretch to say he would be in the bottom third.

fairladyZ 02-16-2013 05:09 PM

rivers, peyton, schaub, romo, dalton, sanchez, cassel

on par with:
wilson, bradford, brees, ryan, brady, alex smith

haven't watched enough to know:
weeden, tannehill, fitzpatrick, foles

BigCatDaddy 02-16-2013 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fairladyZ (Post 9407945)
rivers, peyton, schaub, romo, dalton, sanchez, cassel

on par with:
wilson, bradford, brees, ryan, brady, alex smith

haven't watched enough to know:
weeden, tannehill, fitzpatrick, foles

Brady and Ryan? No.

B14ckmon 02-17-2013 12:17 AM

The weirdest thing about the weak arm critique on Barkley, is that it was mostly from his Freshmen/Sophomore year. His arm has improved considerably since, but for whatever reason the weak arm line stuck with him.

Canofbier 02-17-2013 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9409581)
The weirdest thing about the weak arm critique on Barkley, is that it was mostly from his Freshmen/Sophomore year. His arm has improved considerably since, but for whatever reason the weak arm line stuck with him.

Maybe it has something to do with how much air he puts under a lot of his deep balls. I think it's intentional (to drop it over the defenders), but I'll be interested to see how he looks throwing at the combine. If his arm surprises scouts there, what are the chances he challenges or overtakes Geno at the top of the QB class?

Sorter 02-17-2013 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9409581)
The weirdest thing about the weak arm critique on Barkley, is that it was mostly from his Freshmen/Sophomore year. His arm has improved considerably since, but for whatever reason the weak arm line stuck with him.

It's improved but he still doesn't zip the ball in intermediate areas (Digs, seams) or on comebacks/hitches as well as most top tier guys. You can balance that with utilizing PA and having WRs that run solid routes and utilizing a deep passing game that makes DBs respect deep throws and give a little more hesitance to jumping routes IMO.

B14ckmon 02-17-2013 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Canofbier (Post 9409607)
Maybe it has something to do with how much air he puts under a lot of his deep balls. I think it's intentional (to drop it over the defenders), but I'll be interested to see how he looks throwing at the combine. If his arm surprises scouts there, what are the chances he challenges or overtakes Geno at the top of the QB class?

I agree. In conjunction, I think he tends to float the balls because he has two very athletic receivers that can get up for it. It's really not much different from what Stafford does with Megatron. Obviously his arm isn't like Staffords but you get the point.

And I think the USC Stigma alone will keep him out of the running for the top QB spot.

Sorter 02-17-2013 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fairladyZ (Post 9407945)
rivers, peyton, schaub, romo, dalton, sanchez, cassel

on par with:
wilson, bradford, brees, ryan, brady, alex smith

haven't watched enough to know:
weeden, tannehill, fitzpatrick, foles

No way Barkley's arm is on par with Wilson, Brady, Romo, or Matt Ryan. IMO, Alex Smith can also put more velocity on the ball than Barkley as well due to his release point and length. (Haven't compared arm length bw Smith and Barkley but it seems to me that his arms are longer and coupled with his release the ball gets more zip).

I'd say he's similar to Dalton with a bit more velocity.

B14ckmon 02-17-2013 12:32 AM

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1682851/uscee.gif

O.city 02-17-2013 12:37 AM

Wonder if that was with an inflated ball?

B14ckmon 02-17-2013 12:40 AM

I need to rewatch the Oregon/USC game from this year. Barkley just went off despite getting rocked all game long.

Sorter 02-17-2013 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9409659)
I need to rewatch the Oregon/USC game from this year. Barkley just went off despite getting rocked all game long.

That was his best game IMO.

B14ckmon 02-17-2013 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9409667)
That was his best game IMO.

It was good seeing him target Agholor. He was going all over the field with his passes.

Sorter 02-17-2013 12:52 AM

The Syracuse game is the worst IMO but I'm also of the belief that Syracuse had an underrated D.

Overall, there are a lot of things to like and dislike from Barkley this year as opposed to last.

I feel that coupled with ineffective coaching + OL struggles, he lost confidence at times, had poorer drops, and his accuraccy and decision making was affected. I still like Barkley but I wouldn't draft him over Geno. If it was between him and Wilson, it would be tough for me personally.

B14ckmon 02-17-2013 12:55 AM

Personally I'm hoping to see Barkley fall to us at 33. Though I have doubts we would draft offense that early.

Sorter 02-17-2013 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9409704)
Personally I'm hoping to see Barkley fall to us at 33. Though I have doubts we would draft offense that early.

Given the fact that there aren't that many "top-tier" guys in this draft and the numerous teams that are QB desperate, I can't see Barkley falling that far currently.

AussieChiefsFan 02-17-2013 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9409704)
Personally I'm hoping to see Barkley fall to us at 33. Though I have doubts we would draft offense that early.

I think it'd be a miracle for him to fall that far.

B14ckmon 02-17-2013 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9409712)
Given the fact that there aren't that many "top-tier" guys in this draft and the numerous teams that are QB desperate, I can't see Barkley falling that far currently.

I think Foles/Flynn/Smith will shake that up though. I don't see the Raiders or Eagles drafting a QB in the first round, and I can see the Jets going for guy in the league already.

The Bills are the only team I am worried about but I could see them going for Glennon or Wilson.

NJChiefsFan 02-17-2013 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9409736)
I think Foles/Flynn/Smith will shake that up though. I don't see the Raiders or Eagles drafting a QB in the first round, and I can see the Jets going for guy in the league already.

The Bills are the only team I am worried about but I could see them going for Glennon or Wilson.

Yeah I think the Jets will go for a guy in the league as well. Rex isn't looking to have a work in progress. He doesn't have that amount of time left.

Sorter 02-17-2013 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9409766)
Yeah I think the Jets will go for a guy in the league as well. Rex isn't looking to have a work in progress. He doesn't have that amount of time left.

Only way I could have seen the Jets taking a QB IMO is if Glennon fell to them and they had Cameron as OC.

I think they get A. Smith.

However, I think that the Browns, AZ, Buffalo, and possibly the Texans/Bucs draft a QB in the first.

NJChiefsFan 02-17-2013 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9409769)
Only way I could have seen the Jets taking a QB IMO is if Glennon fell to them and they had Cameron as OC.

I think they get A. Smith.

However, I think that the Browns, AZ, Buffalo, and possibly the Texans/Bucs draft a QB in the first.

And that's another thing about making it hard for Barkley to fall. I think at least one team is going to go QB that experts aren't looking at.

From Dec. on I have been thinking Vick for the Jets. It's a Woody and Rex move. At this point though Alex would be more likely, although I don't know what the hell they are going to do about Sanchez's salary.

B14ckmon 02-17-2013 01:30 AM

I can't see the Texans or Bucs spending a first round pick on a QB. Both of them have huge gaping holes in their defense. Texans horrible secondary is clearly responsible for their early playoff exit and their inability to get the #1 seed.

Sorter 02-17-2013 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9409776)
And that's another thing about making it hard for Barkley to fall. I think at least one team is going to go QB that experts aren't looking at.

From Dec. on I have been thinking Vick for the Jets. It's a Woody and Rex move. At this point though Alex would be more likely, although I don't know what the hell they are going to do about Sanchez's salary.

Probably say **** it and send a big "**** You" card to Tannenbaum.

Drafting a rookie wouldn't put them in cap hell, while signing Smith would probably cost anywhere from 6-9M per year IMO. They could probably get around it via losing Landry, pace, and a few others but IMO their best solution would be to draft a QB (Glennon probably fits their O best previously but I can't recall who they hired as their new OC. Nassib might fit as well).

B14ckmon 02-17-2013 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9409788)
Probably say **** it and send a big "**** You" card to Tannenbaum.

Drafting a rookie wouldn't put them in cap hell, while signing Smith would probably cost anywhere from 6-9M per year IMO. They could probably get around it via losing Landry, pace, and a few others but IMO their best solution would be to draft a QB (Glennon probably fits their O best previously but I can't recall who they hired as their new OC. Nassib might fit as well).

We still don't know what the Jets are going to do with their CBs. Dumping Revis for picks could free up 6million.

NJChiefsFan 02-17-2013 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9409788)
Probably say **** it and send a big "**** You" card to Tannenbaum.

Drafting a rookie wouldn't put them in cap hell, while signing Smith would probably cost anywhere from 6-9M per year IMO. They could probably get around it via losing Landry, pace, and a few others but IMO their best solution would be to draft a QB (Glennon probably fits their O best previously but I can't recall who they hired as their new OC. Nassib might fit as well).

Their OC is good ol' Mornhinweg. I believe their new GM is from SEA. Maybe they go after Flynn.

Sorter 02-17-2013 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9409785)
I can't see the Texans or Bucs spending a first round pick on a QB. Both of them have huge gaping holes in their defense. Texans horrible secondary is clearly responsible for their early playoff exit and their inability to get the #1 seed.

Texan's secondary isn't responsible for their loss, it was their inability to convert 3rd downs early that ****ed them.

Their secondary played lights out when they weren't consistantly ****ed over by their inability to move the football (Pats 2X, GB, etc).

Schaub took a big step backwards this year. Possibly due to him coming off injury and having rust/lacking confidence but I think they really would think hard at QB if a QB like Barkley fell to them, especially considering they play in a dome 9X year and can reduce his arm-strength/weather issues(if they exist).


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