Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9167215)

Making jokes in a serious thread is a bannable offense. This is not a prayer thread. Still is borderline. Why do you need to push the envelope in this thread?

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9167838)

Without going back and having to read everyone's friggen opinion on what the league should do or what they now think of Jevon has anyone found out anything about the kid was not his rumour?

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 9167819)

Such terrible news, JFC. Thoughts and prayers to all the people affected by this.

BigRedChief and Dave, you guys both need to shut the **** up. Jovan was obviously a troubled individual, not some cold-blooded murderer, show some ****ing sympathy and be grateful you're not going through something like he was. Dumbasses.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9167807)

If you depend on any Panthers or Chiefs players in fantasy football, your team is done anyway.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9167840)

And you're and idiot piece of shit...
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9167829)

100% yes. Everybody needs to get wind of this, because this is a top-notch idea.

She's someone who ACTUALLY needs saving. I'd be fine with holding off on banners for the rest of the year and donating the rest of that money to her.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 9167819)

Such terrible news, JFC. Thoughts and prayers to all the people affected by this.

BigRedChief and Dave, you guys both need to shut the **** up. Jovan was obviously a troubled individual, not some cold-blooded murderer, show some ****ing sympathy and be grateful you're not going through something like he was. Dumbasses.

Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 9167828)

No where did I say that was THE factor. It might be A factor. These things so not happen in a vaccum. He likely has a history (based on things we are now reading) of uncontrollable rage perhaps after growing up watching it himself. His choice of major could indicate his desire to try to do things differently but in the end he could not.

I think people outside of this situation will likely see his professional pressures played a part in this situation. Perhaps fueling his sense of inadequacy and rage. Perhaps as he saw in his own home growing up.

Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 9167360)

Neither. Look, people who have healthy support systems don't do this. Think of how your job might be your sanctuary if your home life is bad or vice versa. Also think about how a quiet person (as he's been described all morning) would have a hard time opening up to other people because it's not his nature.

So he's having problems at home where he can internalize it and no one knows. But he goes to work where his failures are on display. Not just his but his team, the organization, the city. The support system within the players seems to still be there as we've not seen ANY public blaming or dissing of each other. But once he leaves that locker room all good feelings there are no longer. The failings are out in the open and a matter of public discourse. They are on the field and in the air. They are on the television and on the airwaves.

There is no soap box here. There is the fact that someone who feels they have something going right in their lives does not do this unless they are mentally ill which, if that is the case, he is likely not equipped to handle the pressure of the NFL.

The energy at Arrowhead has been toxic for awhile (see their home record) and I think that it would not be surprising if some of the players have been dealing with depression or other types of mental health issues. I'm not saying any of this caused Belcher's actions but to believe they were not ANY FACTOR AT ALL is not realistic.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9167864)

If they are gonna play tomorrow chiefs fans need to pack arrowhead ala 90s style to show we support them and they are family when they become a chief.


I know this year has been tough and we aren't happy with the way things have gone but now isn't a time for that. The players need our support

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9167849)

**** you and your attempt to censor whats said on this board. Defending a murderer because he was troubled? :shake:

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9167838)

Without going back and having to read everyone's friggen opinion on what the league should do or what they now think of Jevon has anyone found out anything about the kid was not his rumour?

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 9167870)

That can happen to anyone, you douche.

Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 9167367)

IIRC, it is usually covered after a certain time period.. Like 1 to 3 years.

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 9166600)

This is quite possibly the most unbelievable tragedy in the history of the NFL.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 9167870)

That can happen to anyone, you douche. Show some class.

Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9167852)

Why doesn't everyone just calm down with the personal attacks? Geez Louise!

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 9167866)

Why do we always use the "troubled" or "temporarily insane" BS. So much? It's a crutch.

Everybody has had some F-ed up stuff happen in our lives. Some even more than others. But that's never an excuse to murder someone.

I don't believe one moment ever defines us in who we are. But our actions are part of who we are. So at least in that respect, Jovan has to own that murderer label.

Sad story.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9167849)

**** you and your attempt to censor whats said on this board. Defending a murderer because he was troubled? :shake:

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 9167870)

I'm not the one calling for bans in the thread, guy. I'm just saying you need to shut the **** up because you're being a callous piece of shit. Cold-blooded murderers don't kill themselves. I think it's pretty obvious he was mentally and emotionally crippled when he pulled that trigger both times. That can happen to anyone, you douche. Show some class.

Originally Posted by The Poz (Post 9167881)

I'll be upset if they put Belcher's # on their helmets. If anything they put the initials of both the mother he murdered and the 3 month old he orphaned. Sure, he was troubled but ruining dozens of lives of those involved was pure selfishness.

Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9167885)

Belcher made $2M this year...pretty sure the kid gets that estate...or at least a good portion when she turns 18. Leave the SOC funds to the boys and girls club.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 9167892)

There are no excuses for murdering someone. I just think people need to show some sympathy to individuals who go over that edge. I have no sympathy towards cold-blooded murderers and I don't think Jovan was one.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 9167892)

I have no sympathy towards cold-blooded murderers and I don't think Jovan was one.

Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9167899)

The players lost a friend...I won't judge them for any way they choose to grieve.

Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9167891)

And this is no worse than the Rae Carruth tragedy...other than people other than chiefs fans knew Rae Carruth.

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 9167883)

You really don't believe in personal responsibility at all then if you truly believe temporary insanity can happen to anybody any time.

Are you a lawyer?

Originally Posted by Lumpy (Post 9167901)

It's crazy how a tragic event like this brings out the hostility in some people.

The guy lost it, killed his g/f, and shot himself. Many are affected by his actions and will continue to live w/ the pain for the rest of their lives. Are any of us directly affected? Aside from losing a player on the field, no, we're not.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9167838)

Without going back and having to read everyone's friggen opinion on what the league should do or what they now think of Jevon has anyone found out anything about the kid was not his rumour?

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 9167921)

I'm not a lawyer. I just think that something was clearly off with Javon. I'm not saying it's OK that he killed someone, or that he's somehow excused. He took his own life, which probably means he couldn't live with himself anymore, who knows what he was going through. I just don't think he deserves to be treated like some cold-blooded murderer and be condemned in a fashion Dave and BRC were condemning him in.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9167903)

LEVITY BREAK:


Hootie is the voice of reason in this thread. Hootie.

what is this I don't even


:)

Originally Posted by The_Doctor10 (Post 9167855)

But he didn't kill anyone. Belcher did.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9167922)

People need something to attach themself to and be upset about so they can discharge all the built up shit they have inside about their own pathetic little lives.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9167919)

Horrific metaphore.

Originally Posted by AdumbGuy (Post 9167927)

I don't see how they can play this game. How do you focus on football during this? What, will the opposing coaches attack the chiefs linebacking corps because they're weaker now because one of them is dead?

Forfeit the damn game if need be, there's more important things than football.

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 9167928)

I think that was some speculation posted by one of the members here. I have not heard this anywhere else.

Irresponsible, as it has now taken life as fact.

Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9167934)

I've rebranded my style, I'm no longer here to bicker. If someone wants to bicker with me I'll move along. I like you guys too much to be away for years at a time because I'm thick headed.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9167923)

The difference between this and all those other situations in sports history...is it wasn't just a domestic disturbance. The guy went to the team facility and did it right in front of the front office and coaching staff of the team. I certainly don't know of any other situation like this. The head coach and GM of this team just watched one of their players kill himself. That's brutal. I don't know if you can compare it to anything.

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 9167938)

Belcher placed on PUP.

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 9167928)

I think that was some speculation posted by one of the members here. I have not heard this anywhere else.

Irresponsible, as it has now taken life as fact.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9167923)

The difference between this and all those other situations in sports history...is it wasn't just a domestic disturbance. The guy went to the team facility and did it right in front of the front office and coaching staff of the team. I certainly don't know of any other situation like this. The head coach and GM of this team just watched one of their players kill himself. That's brutal. I don't know if you can compare it to anything.

Originally Posted by Lumpy (Post 9167948)

Welcome back.

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9167954)

I amazed this came before a Tombstone macro.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 9167892)

There are no excuses for murdering someone. I just think people need to show some sympathy to individuals who go over that edge. I have no sympathy towards cold-blooded murderers and I don't think Jovan was one.

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9167961)

The Program ‏@theprogramkc
The Kansas City Police Department has released the name of the victim. Her name is Kassandra Perkins. Age 22.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9167923)

The difference between this and all those other situations in sports history...is it wasn't just a domestic disturbance. The guy went to the team facility and did it right in front of the front office and coaching staff of the team. I certainly don't know of any other situation like this. The head coach and GM of this team just watched one of their players kill himself. That's brutal. I don't know if you can compare it to anything.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 9167921)

I'm not a lawyer. I just think that something was clearly off with Javon. I'm not saying it's OK that he killed someone, or that he's somehow excused. He took his own life, which probably means he couldn't live with himself anymore, who knows what he was going through. I just don't think he deserves to be treated like some cold-blooded murderer and be condemned in a fashion Dave and BRC were condemning him in.

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9167962)

who is he/she?

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9167958)

The person who originally commented about it said it was a rumor.

it has always been discussed as a rumor

anyone taking it as a fact is choosing to make that distinction

we know very few facts about the entire situation

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9167462)

Nobody condones his actions but if rumors are true it's not as crazy as you might think. l


following is complete rumor/conjecture/hypothesis:


1. Girlfriend decides, for whatever reason, that today is the day she tells Belcher that 'their' child is not biologically his.

2. Belcher loses it and in his anger and grief grabs a gun and shoots her

3. after his grief/rages subsides he looks down at what he's done.

He's killed the woman he loves ... he career is over ... his life(as he knows it) is over ... he's going to jail for 20+ years. Depression sets in and he decides he doesn't deserve or want to live with it.

So he decides to say his goodbyes and take his own life. The Chiefs are his only family or maybe his only family close enough to visit.

drives to Arrowhead, says 'Goodbye' and as soon as Police arrive and force the timing of the decision, he pulls trigger.


just a possibility

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9167958)

The person who originally commented about it said it was a rumor.

it has always been discussed as a rumor

anyone taking it as a fact is choosing to make that distinction

we know very few facts about the entire situation

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9167908)

Funny, people take their own life experience and value system and attach it to somebody else's life in a situation they know almost nothing about and pass judgement. Unbelievable, really.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9167469)

JFC, I had a friend kill another friend in front of me accidentally with a gun. I had another friend kill himself over a girl in front of me.

I worked in an ER/ICU for 9 years taking care of failed suicides and saw the pain that the family had to endure.

Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9167943)

?

I wasn't trying to use a metaphor, just saying we've seen this same tragedy play out with a more famous player...and it was probably a more cowardly crime

Originally Posted by Lumpy (Post 9167971)

I'll leave that for him to release.

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9167932)

I don't know if this was accurate or not but I was told this morning the Chiefs don't even have a psychiatrist/counselor on their staff for the players.

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 9167980)

speak woman!!



don't make me ........... (too soon? :evil: )