Well ill reserve judgement til i see for myself. PFF isnt the end of the world

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This is the leg I stand on. conveniently it is the graph directly under the one that asserts the 40 + 6 are the worst numbers. Notice you didn't post a link, mine is shown in the pic so everyone can see that you omitted certain facts that hurt your case.

Oh clay youre caught buddy!!

Who cares? By either statistic he is among the league's worst CBs.

He's going to play a lot of snaps here and give up a lot of first downs again.

Can't wait!

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transactions/free-agents


But yet on must free agent list he's in the top 20. Man this guy sure sucks.

Big deal. Shitty players are "highly-sought FAs" every year.

If you're a former high draft pick that hits FA people will throw money at you.

Yup thats why Mike Wallace, Andy Levitre are shitty

There are only about 99999999 examples of "big name" free agents being shitty in NFL history. Do you really need an education on this?

Not all big name free agents are shitty. They just get way overpaid

Clay is still being extremely selective in his stats LMAO

What's selective about worst in the league in first downs allowed?

I really don't know how anyone can put a positive spin on that.

Want a first down? Throw at this guy!

How do we know he's playing the same way here as he is in Miami? Idk if he played in zone or man-to-man, but I'm sure our coach has him playing different than he did in Miami.

People said the same thing about Routt.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...unno_shrug.gif

Ya routt was a man to man and was used in zone here and was awful. It was apparent he wasnt good but he's a better man to man corner thats why he blew up on the defensive coaching staff

Clay why do you even watch the Chiefs if you hate every goddamn thing that they do?

Jesus man.

They have a love hate relationship


Loves the team hates the moves made

How many times do I have to say it?

I hate Alex Smith.

I hate Sean Smith.

Cool with the rest.

Whiner.

Might as well not watch because he's our most important player.LMAO

I like the potential Sean Smith brings and if he sucks, it won't be hard to move on.

If it works out, we could have a real nice set of starting corners.

BTW...not sure if its been posted or not, but his final contract details are less than was originally reported...

[x]
3/14/2013: Signed a three-year, $16.5 million contract. The deal includes $7.465 million guaranteed.

That's better than 3/18 with 11 guaranteed.

Nice Alex Smith avi on your twitter Clay

Bottom line is he did get burned quite a bit, but was definately worth signing given the talent. He had a damn good start last year it seems, but fell off for some reason.

Ya but there are false parts to him getting burned. Like the Avery catch, his safety totally ****ed up on that play

The other thing is he is kind of a jackass. He had this huge twitter blowup last year. He likes to talk trash on twitter.

Ya so does Arenas and Albert.

No one on Miami plays hard all year.

He gets burned by tight ends, too. Shitty tight ends.

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He also gets owned by Matt Cassel!

http://i.imgur.com/iBcUeSm.gif

In short, this is what we can expect from this shitty player!

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Oh shit. Sean Smith getting burned for a TD again?

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I just want to point out that in 3/4 of those gifs he is covering a #1 receiver.

Bowe
Jackson
Wayne

In KC, he isn't covering those guys.

(I know this was what I hoped would help Routt last year.)

I'm cautiously optimistic...apparently so are the Chiefs with only giving him 7.4 million guaranteed and waited a few days to sign him.

If the coaching staff can find a way to straighten the kid out and polish his technique, he will prove to be a steal with that contract.

Still haven't posted the 2012 rankings huh?

The corners job down there is to protect the corner...the LB should have been in position to stop that play, but he didn't get proper depth in his drop.

Look at Smith taking outside position on the play and the LB has poor depth and doesn't cover anything and gave up the goal line. With Andrew Luck or any other QB that prepares effectively against their opponents, thats like taking candy from a baby.

Classic example of what I was talking about earlier.

Couldn't find any more recent gifs Clay?

Was that Indy gif not from last year? Wow.

What were his ratings on PFF from 2012?

The corners outside and the LBs underneath. Thats why its a team game. One blown assignment makes you look shitty. Give it a rest Clay

As soon as the ball gets thrown, the backer turns his head like "shit, that's me."

Look at who is worse than him in first downs/tds per snap.

As far as your pics of specific plays, I hate to break this to you but everyone gets burned. Hell Craphonso thorpes first td was on probowler Charles Woodson.

Eric Beary gets burned by shitty tight ends too

I guess every move they have made is wrong because fault can be found with each player we have signed

He will have to at some point.

Flowers has never moved to the right side.

He's only ever played the slot or LCB.

Why are you such an angry person?

Winter is coming.

I appreciate the respect, SR, but like you, I haven't seen enough of the Dolphin defense to form an educated opinion.

And unlike Claythan, I won't form an opinion based on sites like PFF rankings.

Also, unlike others *cough*Dane McCloud*cough*, I won't form an opion based on what "experts" have to say.

Overall, I agree with your opinion on Flacco.

He has been inconsistent in the regular season throughout his career, and until the last two postseasons, he's been mediocre, at best, winnig because of his defense and running game.

Last two postseaons he has been outstanding, and to portray that game winner to Jones as a Hail Mary is a bit disingenuous.

Yes, Rahim Moore ****ed up coverage, but because he was out of position to start the play.

That's a read and throw that Flacco makes 9 times out of 10.

what??

he was pressured and flushed out of the pocket...he heaved a 70 yard punt...that was a desperation throw...the under corner literally stopped and watched for some reason and Rahim Moore waited on the ball like he was going to pick it only to figure out he misjudged it by 8 yards...and then he flailed back and looked like an 8th grade defender while Jacoby Jones caught it like a punt and ran in for a TD

that was the worst defensed pass in NFL history

I rewatched it...

I was wrong. Still.

that was awful, awful, awful coverage by Rahim Moore. WTF was he doing? I still have no idea. I just didn't get that. That honestly had to be the worst play in NFL history (given the circumstances)

I mean...Rahim Moore literally "got there" and waited for the ball...and then he double tapped his feet and realized he misjudged the ball by 5 yards...and then he literally flopped backwards to try and tip it and Jacoby Jones was there waiting for the ball to get to him...

it was like waiting to catch a baseball in the outfield only to realize at the last minute it was going to land 5 feet behind you...

it was embarrassing...and it made Joe Flacco 40 extra million

Pressure came almost from the snap, but Moore lined up to close to the line and tto far inside, and Flacco saw that pre-snap.

He was looking for that pass from the snap.

well of course he was

they needed a TD

either way

Moore was there...he just horribly misjudged the ball for some reason

I swear to God I would have made that play in that situation. I'm moderately athletic.

Not with that ****ed up knee you wouldn't
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4.4 speed Hootie?

yeah thanks for bringing that up

I think my athletic career is over now because of it

no probably like 5.1

which is probably faster than 90% of this board

Thank you Rahim Moore and Dumb for the hilarity and embarrasment brought to Pile High

but I can track a ball in baseball so I'm pretty sure I could have made that play because I have actual instincts unlike Rahim Moore apparently

He'd have raped you too

Torn?
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Moore needed another step before leaped, but even then he might not have batted down that ball.

That was a pefectly placed throw.

And, no, the Ravens didn't need a TD on that play.

They needed a first down on that play, or the following play to keep the drive alive.

There was still plenty of time left for them to continue to drive for the winng score.

quit bring a bitch and rehab that ****er
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dude

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqQsTA4AkOQ

Moore was THERE...he just horribly misjudged the throw

and Jacoby Jones had to wait on the ball

It was a good ****ing throw don't get me wrong...but it was a god damn heave and pray 100%

and Moore should have made the play...every safety in the NFL other than Rahim Moore apparently makes that play

and it was a $40M play for Joe Flacco

and now the 'casual' fan thinks he's an elite NFL QB and he simply isn't

he's inconsistent...maybe a super bowl gives him swagger and elevates him to elite but as of now he's a fringe top 10 QB

I'd take Romo over Flacco

I don't have time...I'm hoping it magically heals...I have full movement in my knee, walk with no limp, can run...

I just can't bend down or I get a horrible pain...

something is wrong with it but I'm not getting an MRI...it doesn't hinder me at all except for I can't play flag football or pickup basketball right now

if it still bothers me in another month I may take the next step

I still see a guy that needs one more step.

dude he stood there like he was going to INT the ball...had an 'oh ****' moment...flailed back...and then full flailed and missed the ball by a full hand..

he was literally flat footed standing there before that 'oh shit I misjudged the **** out of this ball' moment...

Jacoby Jones waited for the ball

it was a good throw given the pressure and need for a score...

but he could have put 10 more yards on it and Jones would have caught it in stride

both moore and jones waited for that ball

That's exactly right, its obvious his assignment was outside, the backer should've been deeper.

You generally have solid football opinions, but when it comes to anything that is related in any way to Peyton Manning, you're like a teen girl with a crush on a boy band.

Rahim Moore cost Manning a chance to go to a SB, so Moore has to be villified and reviled.

It was a bad play by Moore, but he wazs not standing there flatfooted.
He was still sprinting and needed another step before he leaped, and even then he probably doesn't get to it.

this has nothing to do with Manning

it was literally the worst defensive play I've seen in my time watching the NFL

the game was over...the game was so over the Broncos with a top 2 QB in the last 15 years decided to run the ball on 3rd and 7 and punt it back to the Ravens because they knew the game was over

and then Rahim Moore did that

that was the biggest choke job defensive play I've seen in my entire life

that was more of a miracle than the music city miracle and I truly believe that

it was an awful, awful, awful play and if he was truly out of position like you suggest then I want to know why the **** he was out of a position in such an obvious position to be in position

and he didn't even leap...he flailed...because he knew he misjudged the ball...he got to "the spot" and thought he had the INT but instead realized he misjudged the ball by like 5 yards and then he flailed back and missed it by a hand

You would take Romo over Flacco?

Your argument was good until this last sentence. Heck with Romo, come on man? The guy is a choker! Flacco was clutch in the playoffs this year. What Flacco did this year is Romo's wet dream.

It was an underthrown ball. If Moore does make that play, Flacco would probably be taking the heat instead of Moore.

ok this one is WAY better

come on Milkman

he was not sprinting

he was sizing up the ball...had it in his sights...had the pick and then OH SHIT I MISJUDGED THIS THING...full flail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGS5EEEFCh4

Flat-footed? Moore was not flat-footed. He wasn't sprinting but he was shuffling his feet the entire time. He did misjudge the distance on the ball and his timing of his jump. I don't think he gets it if he does time it right but he might have. He took too sharp of an angle.

Choker, I think, is a misnomer.

He just has some excess bonage in his head.

He is, overall, a more talented QB.

I think Romo is a better player than Flacco...no doubt.

I don't buy into this choking bullshit that is spewed all over this board.

The NFL QB darling on this board (Tom Brady) has as many "choke jobs" as any NFL QB yet he's considered clutch.

This board thinks Kobe Bryant is a closer.

I watch too much damn NFL to think Joe Flacco is an elite NFL QB. He has elite talent that sometimes shows but often doesn't.

You can't be elite and put in regular season after regular season of average QB play. He'll have 4 elite games per year, 8 completely average games, and 4 Sanchez-esque games.

Yeah, he had an amazing postseason that happened because Rahim Moore sucks...I can't take away his game against the Patriots, his game against the Broncos, and his 1st half in the Super Bowl...

but he still isn't anywhere near the top 5 NFL QB's...

and I personally think Tony Romo is a better NFL QB than Joe Flacco and I also don't consider it to be close.

Who do you consider clutch then in today's NFL?

LMAO

what is everyone watching?

This dude is a PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE...A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYER

he was there...he had the play...Jacoby Jones had to wait on the ball...

this was the equivalent of a center fielder camping underneath a fly ball and then realizing at the last minute it's going to go over his head

the dude flat out misjudged the ball...and then instead of realizing 'oh shit I can't make this play' he flailed and fell on his back when a tackle could have still saved the game

it was the worst defensive play in NFL history

I don't understand how anyone can defend it or consider it a great play by Flacco

it was the right play by Flacco...to take that chance because he had nothing to lose since the game was already "lost"

but it was a TERRIBLE play by Moore...not a great play by Flacco

I can't believe this is an argument

When did I say any of that? I just disagreed that he was flat-footed. Never said he played the ball as well as he could.

He turned too soon.

He needed another step.

I don't really use that term in the NFL.

Eli Manning is clutch because Wes Welker dropped a ball, Mario Manningham made a great catch (on a great throw), and a helmet catch on a play the officials often whistle dead because the QB was in a grasp of a defender...

seriously

Tyree could have dropped that ball, or Samuel could have picked the ball a play earlier and Eli would have been a nothing.

Manningham could have not kept his feet in bounds.

Because of 3-4 fluky plays we think of Eli Manning is the ultimate playoff QB.

Tom Brady should be 5-5 in Super Bowls and without his kicker he may very well have been 1-5 instead of 3-5.

It's a ****ing team sport. The fact this board narrows it down to the QB every time a team loses is ****ing ridiculous.

I don't consider Peyton Manning any more of a choker than Tom Brady. I don't consider Tom Brady to be any more clutch than Matt Ryan.

I will say this was the first year where I doubted Peyton Manning when it got to OT after that Moore debacle. He just didn't have it...his arm was dead. I knew the game was over after Moore made that play. Or didn't make that play.

EITHER WAY...the NFL isn't like the NBA. One player can't win you a game. Aaron Rodgers lost in the playoffs.

Any team that wins a Super Bowl now needs luck. The Giants needed a Welker drop. The Ravens needed Rahim Moore and then the worst playcalling ever on the last drive in the Super Bowl by the 49ers.

there is no such thing as a Michael Jordan in the NFL...it's too much of a team sport

so what are you arguing?

he played the ball terribly...

but if he played the ball like a professional athlete, or even a collegiate athlete, or even a good high school athlete...

he was there to make the play...it was a 70 yard hail mary punt...

the receiver waited for the ball...

9 out of 10 safeties INT that ball

9.5 out of 10 safeties at least make a play on that ball

99 out of 99.5 safeties at least either pass interfere or tackle the guy that catches that ball after they **** up

Rahim Moore is the only safety probably ever to play that ball the way he played that ball to have that play end in that outcome

it was horrid

So the clips of him getting beat constantly mean nothing?

The opinions of dozens of Dolphins fans mean nothing?

I choose not to ignore these relevant findings.

Alex Smith had 6 game winning drives in 2011.

Tim Tebow also happened in 2011.

It's because defenses, for some unknown reason, shell up on the final drive of the game...allowing teams to constantly score because they don't want to give up the 'Rahim Moore' to lose a game.

It's terrible coaching and outdated strategy. The only reason Tim Tebow happened was because Denver's D kept the team in the game...and the opposition, instead of sticking to their game plan, played prevent against Tim Tebow which is the only defense he could possibly be effective against.

You know who didn't play prevent with the game on the line? The Giants. Twice. Against the Pats in the Super Bowl.

no you posted his 2011 PFF ranking to condemn him and then said Alex Smith's 2011 PFF ranking meant nothing

you're a genious