Dumbasses

dude the guys you are quoting are NINERS fans. Not chiefs fans
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Schwartz just said on 610 they haven't implemented the pistol up to this point, if I heard that correctly. Anyone confirm?

Why are you calling your little buddies dumbasses?

Just another thing dipshit is wrong about
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Either you cannot read, or you just fail to retain anything.

Or, are you reeruned?

:facepalm:

"Alex Smith got sacked 50 times! Get him an OL!"

If i'm not mistaken, they were doing just hurry up offense and it's only QBs and rookies. My guess is it was as vanilla as you're going to get.

He isn't at camp yet, iirc, and if I heard right he was talking throughout the entire preseason. Again, I was halfway listening so take it fwiw, but I'm thinking ault is more there to work with the defense.

Based on what we know (outside of closed doors), Alex Smith ran a few sets out of the pistol in OTAs and Reid was going to have Childress work with Ault in the offseason. You might be right that Chili's main interest may be in finding just tiny wrinkles for the offense, but in really understanding defensive implications. I guess we'll see soon.

But again, given the way Ault spoke passionately about the pistol working even with a non-mobile QB, I'd have to imagine he's telling Childress to consider it, even if as a non-read option.

What will happen when Alex Smith actually does well?

You and and all the other posters who revel in the Chiefs failing will stop posting

I'll give him credit and admit I was wrong.

Someone might want to define "does well".

Christ, people think he did well in SF throwing for under 200 yards a game.

We win games because of him, not in spite of him.

End of discussion.

That will get argued as well.

Either way, I like the innovation of bringing him in. Like the 9ers bringing in whats his name to work with the offense, when he's actuallly a defensive guy.

If Andy Reids offense is anything resembling what it has been, I think it will be obvious what the problem is.


Although, after reading about what zilla has been talking about, I'm becoming more intrigued.

I don't think so.

It was pretty easy to tell in 2010 what was going on. Cassel was a nightmare until that small stretch in the season's second half.

At minimum, we need "Casshole rapes the NFC West" level of play for Alex Smith to be considered as "playing well."

Hell, that's a terrible comparison. Cassel didn't play well, he dumped the ball off to guys who racked up a metric ****ton of YAC against piss-poor defenses.

So you are saying I should not have started this thread?

Given the amount of discussion about Reid running the same offense he ran in Philly, I thought it was pretty significant. :shrug:

The honest to god problem with this is your best player is Jamaal Charles. You have ONE receiver that is a bonafide NFL starter. The strength of your offense is built around the Oline, and Jamaal Charles. Until other receivers step up, im afraid that the malcontents aren't going to be happy.

What happened to the "The 9ers were gonna suck in 2011 until the season was actually played, good coaching does this etc" rhetoric?

How do we know the WR's are going to suck? Maybe with an offensive guru at HC we actually have guys who don't suck?

Great QB play makes everyone else better.

Andrew Luck had no running game, Reggie Wayne and hot garbage, and he managed to throw for damn near 4,400 yards and win 10 games.

I see the excuses are already starting for one Alex Smith.

That wasn't the point. The point is that the emphasis is going to be to get the ball into Charles hands as much as possible in my opinion. There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I expect that Alex Smith will have a nice chemistry with Bowe. I don't know how he will mesh with the others, mainly because I never really have seen Baldwin play that much.

I'm not trying to make an excuse, obviously QB play will make everyone better. I also think Smith is good enough to atleast see what we've got at skill positions.

baldwin is horrible

Well, I would disagree. He played pretty well during that stretch. Not elite level QB play, but winning QB play. He was particularly good against the Titans and Cardinals.

Alex needs to be at and above that level for me to be satisfied.

I'M NOT A HARD ****ING MAN TO PLEASE

lol. Sighs. Yeah, having to come back as often as the Colts did, had zero to do with the fact that Andrew Luck had to throw a lot, and a lot of the reason he had to do that, was learning on the job and the mistakes he made. But of course, absolutely. Its Alex Smiths fault that he is on a team whose best player is the running back, the number one pick in the draft was a tackle, and they have a pro bowler on the left side. Stupid Alex Smith................

I was talking about Alex Smith's personal nut-warmer, not you.

He's already set up the "what did you expect you have no talent?" excuse.

Shrugs. It all depends on how Andy Reid uses him. Alex Smith says that Andy Reid plays to his players strengths. The strength of the Chiefs offense, is Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, and the offensive line. Alex Smiths strengths are reading the defense, checking into the proper play, and handing off, and playaction.

That is not how people that want to always tell me how terrible Alex Smith is, want to believe that is how Andy is going to use him.

Donnie Avery had almost 800 yards with Luck last season.

And Dwayne Bowe better be WELL OVER 1,000 yards or Alex Smith is a POS.

The "excuses" will fly from all ends.

The WR slips to the ground as the ball is mid-air and the DB intercepts... "The receiver had to adjust to the awful pass and that made him slip! So Alex is responsible, that asshole!"


... and round and round it will go... :)

The Chiefs do not have an elite set of receiving options across the board. They do not have the Bengals, Falcons, Broncos, Saints, Packers, Texans, or even Vikings receiving options. To say that to you, is an excuse. The Chiefs are built around the offensive line, and Jamaal Charles. Dwayne Bowe is very good. Can Alex Smith get him the ball. I have no idea.....

Not making excuses. THE STRENGTH OF THE CHIEFS OFFENSE IS JAMAAL CHARLES, AND THE OFFENSIVE LINE. Please, feel free to argue that with me.

If they gave up what they gave up for a guy who can ONLY do that and they ONLY expect him to do that, they got ass ****ed.

He's going to have to do more than that for us to win and be successful here, in this offense, because while I don't think Reid will have him winging it deep, he's going to have him throwing the ball ALOT more than he was in SF.

You obviously don't know shit about this place
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Huh?

If Alex Smith is the God-King from The West that you claim he is...he better damn well ****ing get Bowe the ****ing ball.

Matt piss in my ass Cassel certainly did...

Again. Score, and circumstances will dictate that. I don't think that the Chiefs personally are going to have to be in those kind of behind, trailing situations where Donnie Avery is going to be dictated. Jamaal Charles, had 1500 yards rushing on a team last year, that scored 13 points a game.

How do you think he might do on a team that wont always be having to come from behind?

How exactly is the OL a strength at this point? It may end up being, but we dont' even know who's starting at LG, C and we have a rookie at RT (who, hopefully is dominant from day 1).

Never ever said any of that. Stop telling lies.

You said he was better than Aaron ****ing Rodgers.

It was an oline last year that blocked well enough for Jamaal Charles to get 1500 yards, and as far as I can tell, the two changes, at Right Guard, and Right Tackle, should be upgrades at worst.....

Does this asshole think we are going to be rrrp?
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There's one consistent theme to teams that throw a lot.

It's not the talent they have, or the lack of talent that forces them to throw a lot.

They throw because they can. They have a QB who can get the ball downfield and isn't chickenshit to do so - and the coach doesn't have to gameplan around his deficiencies.

Teams with over 4,000 passing:

NO
DET
DAL
NE
DEN
ATL
IND
OAK
GB

Teams under 3,300 yards passing:

SF
SD
BUF
MIA
SEA
ARI
CHI
NYJ
MIN
KC

With maybe an exception or two, slingers on the top, Captain Checkdown's on the bottom.

Never said anything of the sort. You are making shit up. I said, that Alex Smith in the 49ers offense, was better than Matt Stafford.

Aaron Rodgers is the best qb in all of football.

You need to remember how these things go. Remember, with Matt Stafford the niners would of been 14-2.....instead of 13-3....Remember?

My mistake. You said Alex Smith was better than Matt Stafford.

You think Alex Smith is a very good NFL QB.

Well, get the ****ing ball to Bowe, then.

He doesn't, he's SHIT.

You obviously didn't watch many Chief games last year. Our center missed damn near the entire season with a broken league btw, so thats a new spot.

Either way, they were a good run blocking, ZBS, OL last year. For all I can tell, IIRC, they are going away from the ZBS this year as they are transitioning to a pass first offense as well.

Nah. Not at all. Alex Smith over the past two years, has been the most efficient qb on first down.............

When he's been on a team thats expected to run the ball, he's been efficient. I'll wait to see how he is on a team thats going to throw it more often.

Actually, the entire ol sans RG and LT will be different, unless Hudson can get back to normal.

Still incorrect. I said, Alex Smith is better in the San Francisco offense, than Matt Stafford would be, and I agreed with you, that in the Detroit offense, even with Calvin Johnson, that Alex Smith would suck.

You really need to understand what I am trying to say.......

No. I do not think Alex Smith is a very good NFL qb. I think he is an average NFL qb, whose best trait is that he doesn't turn the ball over. He is accurate on short passes. he has no problems checking into a run. he has shown to be clutch at times, but cant carry your team.

Pre snap, he is one of the best, he can pick up a system and has zero ego.

That is all I have ever said about Alex Smith. I think some day he can be a hell of a coach. But a damn good nfl qb? Pffff. no, never.

I have also said multiple times that if Andy Reid decides that Alex Smith can do what he asked Donovan McNabb, and Michael Vick to do, hes crazy, and the Chiefs will win 5 games max. That is all I have ever said......

I was guessing that Schwartz was going to play right guard, with Fisher at tackle, I don't know who your Center is.

If it is all short to medium range stuff based off play action, and not always in obvious passing situations, I think that can be successful.

Pretty sure the ol lineup is Albert, stephenson, Allen, Asamoah, Fisher.

how is that as a lineup to you. I don't know anything about the 3 middle guys. I know that Fisher is a good run blocker.

T.Y. Hilton is a ****ing stud. That dude has speed and is very elusive.

Hudson? :(

Stephenson should do well at LG. Allen at center is worrisome until Hudson is back to normal. Otherwise, that's pretty solid.

I also ignored him because of the fact that despite having Reggie Wayne as his vet, he had Hilton, and he had two rookie tight ends who were pretty damn good as well in Fleener, and Dwayne Allen.


I try to avoid the loser nobodies who all they do is want to talk shit with very little facts.

Albert|Allen|Hudson|Asomoah|Fisher

Hudson is back to normal. I didn't hear anything about Allen playing center during OTAs. Hudson got most if not all the reps there.

Alex Smiths understanding of the defenses he will see, and the running game, will help the Oline. I try not to give Alex Smith too much credit at the risk of upsetting the masses, but that is something he does well.

I can only go off of the last lineup I saw listed, which was on rotoworld a few weeks ago. I won't know how its changed until TC reports come in or until I get up there.

It's a bummer for.him he'll likely have Allen as his center for a few games.

I like you as a poster, you seem fairly knowledgeable.

But what you need to realize is that this was exactly what was said here 4 years ago when Cassel was brought in. Almost to a T.


That said, I think Smith is better than Cassel, but up to this point, yes, their numbers aren't much different.

l can smell a championship guys

For the Jags? Or for your owners new Soccer franchise. It certainly cant be for that abortion of a joke franchise you have down there.......

I do understand that completely. I really do. And I understand the skepticism amongst people here. hell, Alex Smith, with the first pick in the draft, is the worst case scenario. I get that. My style is to try to find the positives in everything. And try to be realistic with it as well.....

I understand this could all go to shit, and you could be starting all over in 3 years. I do not hope that for you guys. I genuinely like Alex Smith, THE PERSON, so I pull for him as a football player. Nothing more, but I understand his limitations.

Thats good for you.

But we, as Chiefs fans, have found over the past...well since I can remember, that when it involves the Chiefs, there usually aren't any positives.

Hopefully times are changing.

That's good for me? Im probably the one person on this board, that can empathize and out woe is me. Do you see who is in my avatar?

I watched my grandfather break down when he watched his team being taken away, and he died before they came back... I was at his house when John Elway crushed his soul. The Browns are the laughing stock of the entire league. Trust me, I get what is going on with Chiefs fans. maybe that is why I don't troll, and am actually trying to give reasons to find hope.....

BUt, that doesn't mean I don't understand what you are going through. No one should be miserable in JULY lol

Exactly.

So you can see how had the Chiefs traded Matt Cassel after 2010 to the Browns for 2 2nd round picks, there might have been some who questioned it. :p

I'm a 5th generation STL Cardinal fan. The summer months are my favorite time of the year.

Seriously? I watched the Browns get duped by Derek Anderson, then Draft Brady Quinn. Do you remember him?

Lol, we have had starters with the name Spergon Wynn, I have seen an entire FAN BASE EMBRACE KELLY HOLCOMB. TRENT DILFER WAS CONSIDERED OUR SAVIOR.........CHARLIE FRYE, TIM COUCH........dude, the list......is LONGGGGGGGGGGGG

Bro, you really wanna go this route with me?

Oh, and by the way, your team doesn't draft qbs in the first round. My TEAM DRAFTS SENIOR CITIZEN QBS IN THE FIRST ROUND. MY QB IS A SECOND YEAR PLAYER, HES OLDER THAN ALEX SMITH!!!!!! We gave up Julio Jones, TO GET BRANDON ****ING WEEDEN.........

Meh, thats rough, but IMO, thats more on the organization. They're doing in the right, way, they just can't develop a QB for shit.

However, I think with the coaching staff you have in place now, things will change.

They uh, aren't bad haha......Oh, I usually agree with you. But, my Giants suck so bad right now.

Is this where I should tell you how you don't understand what is going on, and you have no idea what its like to be a browns fan?

However, I completely agree with you. I love what our organization has done, besides our owner commiting felonies lol.

Yeah, it's a great time to be afan.

and on top of Shelby Miller, and Wainwright, now you might get Carpenter back as well. EFFFFF, YOU.

Sure I guess.


I think the Browns have a good roster, but until they actually show they can develop someone at the QB position, they're jsut not good enough in that division and likely never will be.

No, he's done, as of today.

Chud made Derek Anderson, and Cam Newton Pro Bowlers. We have Norv, who is going to use TRENT first,, and utilize the shot gun and deep ball for Weeden. I think they are going to surprise a lot of people this year. The division is in a state of flux right now. They have to make noise this year....