It's weird to me that he's so insistent on writing solo, especially if he wants to continue to work in the business. Knowing how to work with a team in the writing room is pretty essential, I'd think. S2 sure as hell could have benefited from a team and storyboarding and such.


Oh, and a reminder for people who like this type of show: my friend's show Quarry will be airing soon on Cinemax.

It's an interesting tack, especially considering how incredibly bland (IMO) was the final episode of Season 1. The setup through Episode 7 was incredible and it just kind of fell flat in 8.

Is this by your friend that does Rectify? I've never seen that show (there are just too many shows these days!) but I've heard nothing but good things.

He was on the writing team for first season of Rectify, yes. Then he pitched and got Quarry going.

Quarry should, obviously be a little more energetic than Rectify. It's a beautiful, artistic work, but it's a little heavy for widespread commercial appeal, IMO.

I noticed on IMDB that Quarry doesn't have a composer yet.

Hook a Brotha up! :D

I'll put my money on them bringing in some writers to punch up the scripts and make it tighter. Even if they say he's solo, it's in both sides interest.

HBO can't take it on the chin for a high profile show no less - the landscape is even more competitive! Of the top 10 highest rated tv shows on rotten tomatoes for this last year, 7 of them were Netflix or Amazon originals out of every channel in the country.

Nic obviously has an incentive unless he wants to fade away from working in Hollywood.

Hah! I'll enquire. Knowing Graham, it will be a meticulously selected soundtrack, as he's really into music. But they still have stuff that has to be composed, right?

WTF they been doing since the season ended?

Wishing last season had never started...

They rushed the show last season? How did Pizzolato have time to work in digs on Cary Fukunaga if he was so pressed for time?

Possible return, and what a return!!!

Pizzalatto is reported to have teamed up with DAVID MILCH to pen the next season.

and you told me it wasn't gonna happen ROFL...

great news.. as long as vince vaughn is no where to be seen :D

To be fair, as it stands now it could well remain on paper. No evidence that HBO is signed on yet.

Nic has more to say, and has picked up a great partner, but we're still a long way to a green light, let alone seeing it on screen.

That's probably for the best. No date commitments may make for a better story.

I am finally getting to watch season 1. I just finished the ghetto shootout scene. Pretty amazing show. Just had a question about Woody's little girl on there.

First, she set up her Barbie dolls like a sex party, got caught passing explicit drawings around class, and now as a teen got caught doing two older guys in a car. Did they ever explain why she is messed up? Does this have Anything to do with the story at all? I must have missed the connection. Thanks.

Red herring.


She is messed up just from knowing things about what dad has seen on the job is the best guess I've heard.

The daughter is messed up because her parents screwed her up. Doesn't matter to the story.
Your focus needs to be on the not one but two smoking hot babes Woody Harrelson gets to bang in this series.
I hate him for it.

Thanks, yep I wondered about that. I have 3 episodes left, so was not sure if they addressed it later on. As they are ratcheting up the pressure that Rust is the main killer, they keep throwing out hints about this girl being messed up. Seems they are trying to pack too much in such a short season.

I have Season 2 lined up next- but from some of the comments, people did not like it much.

ROFL Exactly, it must have been Hard work to film those scenes. Poor guy.

All right, woody. In this scene, the girl with the most perfect body in Hollywood is going to strip completely naked in front of you. Then straddle you, naked."

Cooooool


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Perks of being an executive producer.

Best episode of the season (ep 4 right?) unfortunately. Episodes 1-4 are incredible television... the rest, eh not so much.

Finally finished Season 2 of True Detective.

It really pales in comparison to Season 1. I felt it had a very weak plot to start and they kept adding a lot of personal crisis with the characters to build up drama. Pretty weak writing throughout with a big shoot-em-up scene to try and wake up viewers dozing off after another long Vince Vaughn soliloquy. Poor ending to a very average show.

Not sure if they should try a Season 3- it has been all downhill since halfway through the first year. MM exceptional acting saved Season 1 IMO.

I would say Eps 1-7 of Season 1 are pretty solid.

That finale was a great lead in to Season 2. It turned a pretty impressive mystery into CSI:Backwoods.

One has to wonder how much Cary's involvement brought Season 1 to life.

He was great as Cottonmouth in Luke Cage. Pretty much carried that show along with Mariah and Shades.

Sensational news! LOVED Season 1, and thought Season 2 was alright (in Season 2 , they tried to stuff way too much stuff in 8 episodes). Hopefully the writer has learned and will take his sweet time with Season 3. Can't wait for this

Token Detective

Great actor. He was superb in Moonlight as well

Will Daddario be back? I really would like to know what Lisa the prosecutor has been up to.

That's more interesting to me than Ali's great acting in a well-written role...


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Let the virtue signaling commence.

Now you are being silly. Ali is a good actor, that he is black shouldn't matter one bit. True Detective was always going to have different actors with each season being a self contained story.

I mean while all of the protagonists in True Detective have been white, so have been all of bad guys beside the Latinos that Frank pissed off.

They haven't even started casting yet? The second season was filming like three years ago

The second season was disappointing enough and the strife between Pizzolato and Cary Fukunaga didn't exactly generate a pressing need for an additional installment two years ago.

More moronic shit from a ****ing know nothing moron.

Fukunaga had ZERO to do with Season Two. He didn't direct a single episode and was an EP in name only.

****tard.

HBO pretty much shelved the show until Nick was ready. It was a metric shit ton of work for him and season two was even more difficult.

The addition of David Milch should be a huge game changer, IF he can stay focused.

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Loved the first season. Watched it twice.

Still havent seen a single episode of the 2nd season.

So my boy, Graham Gordy, is going to be helping with the writing on this bad boy.

Bummed as hell that his project Quarry didn't get renewed, but I'm glad to see him getting to work on a project of this caliber.

I've got a pitch for Season 4. I'm not above bribery.

So Season 3 is going to be cast in Northwest Arkansas. Evidently it will involve some grisly crime and how it effects subsequent generations and will juggle three different periods/timelines. Sounds promising and the Ozarks, as we know, are having a moment... so could be cool.

Graham is really, really good with period pieces and setting a historic and regional tone (if you've never checked out Quarry, do so). Not that he's the driving force or anything, but I hope he'll have a heavy impact on the feel of the show.

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thanks for the link Baby Lee! Very hyped for this.

Hopefully much closer to season 1 than season 2

Couldn't wait for every episode of season 1. I think we never watched season 2 past the second episode.

Season 1 was perfect. Can't get a better cast than that

Might give it a chance with the next storyline taking place in the Ozarks. I'm assuming same location that was center stage of the Netflix series with Jason Bateman.

X2

Yeah, season 2 using LA as the backdrop was a really poor decision. LA has/had been done to death with detective stories. I hope that person was fired. Ozark copied and then did their own spin on Season 1.


I like exploring the backwoods culture of unique areas in the US. It's untapped material. It's not all "deliverance" cliches.

With Harrelson and McConaughey both EPs for this season hopefully they manage to catch some of that Season 1 vibe. Might be cool if the rumors of Rust Cohle making an appearance turn out to be true.

In addition to the amazing lead characters written and performed perfectly, Season 1 also had what I consider the best nude scene of all time (sigh... Daddario).

That’s a big standard to live up to. I think they have the potential to really nail the first part of that equation, at least...

But Season 1 Of TD is a high point that this show, let alone others, will struggle to reach.

God I hope season 3 provides a little redemption for True Detective- second season was an absolute train wreck.

First thing I thought when it came out: Vince ****ing Vaughn? Are you kidding me? That's who they follow up Rust Cohle with?

Nothing about that season worked and you only needed about an episode and a half to know that.

Alright alright alright...

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saw this on IMDB and sweet!

I'm definitely in the minority on here but I dug Season 2 of True Detective. Granted , its no where close to being as good as Season 1 BUT, there were some great moments in it never the less.

Colin Farrell as Detective Ray Velcoro was ****ing awesome. Beating the shit out of people & doing loads of cocaine in his spare time lmao.

Also Rachel McAdams was good too imo. Had no issues with Vince Vaughn but I did have some issues with Woodrugh's (Taylor Kitsch's character) gay subplot. It felt so forced. The writer had waaaaay too many subplots going on for an 8 episode show.

Looking forward to Season 3 !

I didn't think it was monumental, but if it came out as its own thing, it would be much better regarded.

It was a little too much of its own mood and rhythms to compare favorably to Season 1.

Season 2 gets a lot of hate. I don't think it's totally warranted but it's hard to argue it needed to have so many subplots.

They should have used Woodrugh as a misdirect and complete his arc in the first two episodes have him killed off to allow focus more on Bezerides' connection to sex abuse by the powerful and how it played into the Vinci crime organization.

Some argue that LA corruption was played out once Chinatown set the standard, then LA Confidential set it again. I found it interesting to see a narrative that moved the corruption up into a more modern setting, with more modern interests.

If S2 would have come before S1 it wouldn’t get much hate. But since it had to follow, it’s ****ed.

Yeah you have to go somewhere with the corruption story. Season 2 was so disjointed it was hard to see the point.

The only points that made me go "hmm" was the fact the main trigger point of the story was the Rodney King riots which caused ripple effects that got Frank, Velcoro and Woodrugh killed and Bezerides effectively exiled.

Beyond that it just seemed to me like a series of Aespo Fables that were meant to make a modern US audience look at itself in a mirror through vignettes. Velcoro being pissed off with life because he was pissed about raising a rapist's child and being cinched up by a savvy upstart mafioso. Semyon, the philosophizing crime boss chasing the American dream through leveraging lower-level illicit acts into being a land mogul, seems to symbolize that there probably isn't a lot of difference between those in history who didn't have his origins but are still no more benign nor any more ethical ethical than Frank.

Then you have Bezerides and Woodrugh whose fables seem a bit more obvious.

Godfather III wants to talk to you. Says he can make you an offer everyone but you can't refuse.

Seriously though, the more I think of it , Farrell was just aces as the lead detective in season 2 . . Farrell kicking the shit out of Rick Springfield , using brass knuckles on Aspen's dad lol, going on coke binges , hanging out with his fat ginger kid , banging McAdams' character. Farrell ruled on that show.

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A friend of mine hooked me up with guest list for S3 premier here in Fayetteville on Friday. Not sure who all is going to be there. I imagine that Pizzolato will be there, as he's pretty into Fayetteville, but not sure that other "stars" will make it to the local premier.

Cool.

I'll give it a shot but until proven differently I remain convinced they should have quit after Season 1. The bar was set so high it makes any following act seem like just that.

Yeah. I didn't enjoy S2 at all. I'll obviously watch this one, since it was shot in our area. I've got to pick my friend's brain on what happened this season with the writing. I have a feeling:

HBO insisted that Pizz have help with the writing this season after last season's disaster. He agreed. They then brought in some other writers (there were announcements of other writers who were helping, my friend being one), then suddenly all of those people's credits disappeared and there as no official announcements of the other writers being fired or any press at all about them beyond the initial announcement that they were involved.

I have a feeling that Pizz, who has a bit of an ego, agreed to work with the other writers, but insisted they remain uncredited. I'm hopeful that's the case, as I think that having other writers working alongside him would be beneficial.

The criticism of Season 2's failings is valid, but I think the hate is unwarranted.

Don't @ me.

Intriguing. Hopefully you'll share your updated thoughts once you have conversation with your friend. Pretty cool to have a season shot in your neck of the woods.

I don't know that it's hate so much as being presented with a 2 after being gifted a 10.

Pizz is an egomaniac. Still wonder what Cary's vision for the finale of S1 would have been, as that reportedly is what they clashed about - quite roughly, towards the end of S1's production (with Pizz winning out).

Wondering if Pizz's heavy handedness got in the way of what could have been an all time season (It was still great, but the finale turned into CSI: Backwoods).

Season 3 premieres this Sunday.

Reviews generally quite positive. Mahershala Ali is pretty much amazing in everything he does.

(Everyone knows Season 2 was a disaster.)

Arkansas. It is going to be set in Arkansas. Pig sooie.

Is Alexandra Daddario going to show up and get her tits out again? Because that was pretty outstanding.

So I have been watching season 2 and it isn't as bad as I thought it was when I started watching it originally.

There is some quality material in there.

I think they just really messed up casting Vince Vaughn and Colin Farrell in those roles because they are pretty much type casted as actors you can't really take serious in a performance.

Looking forward to season 3

Yeah, I didn't get the hate. It was good not great.

I think if you swap the two, and would have released S2 then S1, it would be a Godfather level love for the series.

Disagree heartily on Vaughn. The whole point is Frank Semyon's a low level street thug that's trying to pass himself off as an intelligent upstanding member of the L.A. elite. He doesn't do this successfully and he's the only one who doesn't realize it because he just doesn't "look" the part of one of the elite. Casting Vaughn helps sell this as viewers will probably associate him with comedic roles and seeing him in a dramatic role won't seem "right."

Farrell you could very well be correct.. But I think he did fine in carrying out Velcoro's arc in basically going from a background character in life (his backstory is framed by external factors -namely being a cop because that was his father's profession and reacting to his wife's rape which presumably yielded a bastard child that he raised as his own) which further leads him into being at the whim of others (being a bent cop in Vinci) into one who tries to take action against corruption even though doing so condemns him to a violent death he himself prophesied in a dream.

I just never felt connected to the characters in S2. 8 episodes is not enough time to land the arcs to so many central characters. There was just too much going on.