Not me. He doesn't need them.

IIRC, he didn't take any preseason snaps in 2012 after his first ACL tear and went on to have a career-ish year.

I don't remember JJ Watt playing in the Super Bowl. I agree that Watt is elite, but according to the criteria you listed he isn't.

Why?





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It was all Peters...the broadcast I was watching interviewed Wilson, when asked about the pick he kinda laughed and admitted that Peters baited him into it

Wilson admitted the same during his sideline interview after he came out.

*SEA broadcast.

Yep, same broadcast with Huard and Menefee

It's possible that he feigned being beat but it definitely seemed to me that a timely throw would have resulted in a TD.

I'll have to watch it again.

JJ Watt is currently a borderline HOFer and probably a lock because the media, i.e., voters, love him.

He's been a 4 time All Pro and 4x Pro Bowler, twice led the league in sacks and in 5 seasons, has 74.5 sacks, 45 passes defended, 15 forced fumbles and 5 TD's, along with being the 3 time NFL DPOY.

That's elite.

Like Derrick Thomas and Kevin Greene, he's so dominant that if never sees a Super Bowl, he'll still have a HOF bust.

Dane's logic is seriously flawed.

Just because Watt is better doesn't mean Houston isn't also elite.

As I've said repeatedly, Peters baited him.

Maybe you need a bigger TV.

Or glasses.

Or a telescope.

Or a ****ing brain

Or all of the above.

Someone should go ahead and tell Barry Sanders and Jamaal Charles with their combined 0-7 playoff records (when active) that they're JAGs.

You're ****ing dumb.

Houston had ONE elite season.

Watt's had FOUR.

Keep sucking those Chiefs cocks.

Charles isn't a HOFer, dipshit.

Keep on sucking those Chiefs cocks.

11 sacks in 11 games before injury in 2013.

22 sacks in 2014.

Leading the league in pressures at the time of injury in 2015.

Dude's been an elite player.

Who gives a shit? According to your logic Barry Sanders isn't elite LMAO

Koll yourself.

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I just re-watched the INT.

Great recovery by Peters but I still think an on-time throw results in a TD.

Looked like pressure up the middle caused Wilson to have to flush momentarily which led to a late throw.

He was elite for a season.

Come to grips with reality.

Right, because I've said that Sanders isn't elite.

:rolleyes:

You can koll yourself.

He's been the same player since 2013.

He's made an amazing impact in the playoffs, just like your other lover, Charles.

Man..

.. Still not getting it..

Peters is amazing.




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No, as usual, YOU'RE not getting it.

Houston hasn't dominated every single season. He's been good and had one great season, but that's not elite.

If he finishes his career with 70-80 more sacks, he'll be remembered as an elite player but right now, he's just very good.

Same with Charles, who has half the TD's as Priest Holmes and 119 less than Emmitt Smith.

Emmitt Smith is the most overrated player in NFL history and Jamaal Charles is better than him.

:facepalm:

Yeah, the NFL's all time leading rusher, who is second in TD's behind Jerry Rice, played for 15 seasons and led his teams to three Super Bowl victories, in a Run First league mind you, is overrated.

Gotta love Chiefsplanet.

What? No shit. Not many players dominate every single season. Watt had 10 sacks like 2 seasons ago and Von Miller no-showed for an entire Super Bowl run a few years ago as well.

I'm not talking about being elite when compared to literally the best players of all time, which is what you're idiotically doing right now.

Is Justin Houston among the two or three best at his position? Yes he is. He is ****ing elite.

Who cares about him breaking the record for most TD's? The guy played forever and his last 5 years were built on reputation when he clearly was just running on fumes.

The 90's Cowboys OL was the best I've ever seen. Emmitt always went 3 yards before anyone could touch him bc the blocking was amazing. You're also forgetting the Cowboys passing game with Aikman and Irvin taking attention away from him.
Now compare that to the trash that Barry Sanders ran behind when every defense focused solely on him. Barry was greatness and a true talent we'll never see again.

Quit thinking Emmitt is "great" simply bc he played forever. Watt could retire tomorrow being nowhere near the top of the all time sacks list and he would absolutely deserve to be a HOF.

Fumes?

2001: 1,021 yards
2002: 975 yards
2003: 256 yards (5 Starts)
2004: 937 yards (15 starts)

Before that, he had 1,500+, 1,700+, 1400+, 1700+ and so on.

From 1991 to 2001, he had more than a 1,000 yards each season and most of those years, 1,200+.

Your recollection is faulty.

It was just last 4, not 5. He fell below 4 YPC and only scored 9 TD's in his last year bc they gave him the rock 267 times despite him putting up an embarrassing 3.5 YPC after getting 2.8 the year before.

Barry would have had 6 YPC and a ton of TD's every year if he was on those Dallas teams. Emitt wouldn't have done what Barry did if he played in Detroit.
Even Jamaal has been awesome behind below average OL's. I can't even fathom what he would have done in a run first league behind the best OL of all time.

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Yeah, there's no way Houston doesn't qualify as elite right now...

Since 2013 he's had a 40.5 sacks in 36 full games.. and in that terrible team defensive performance in the 2013 playoffs against Indy, he had our only sack. This year he was playing on a non-functioning ACL.

He's been one of the best 2-3 OLBs against the run and in pass coverage in the entire league during that span as well. And it's not like he wasn't good in 2012 or 2011 either.

Houston is 100% an elite player in the NFL right now.

And I'll go ahead and say too that IMO Barry is the GOAT at the running back position.

Who cares? That was at the tailend of his career.

The guy was ****ing unbelievable in an era of a Run First league.

He was ****ing unstoppable.

I can't believe that ANYONE that ever watched him play would argue otherwise.

You need to stop right there..Charles behind (arguably) one of the best O-lines in modern history would have been sick...especially in an Air Coryell based system.

I love me some Holmes..but he isn't Charles.

That's just conjecture because no one knows whether or not Charles would have been able to stay healthy (which he hasn't), neither could Holmes, which is why he went undrafted (although the 2002 injury was caused by a horse collar).

Also, let's knock of this "it was the LINE!" as the sole reason why Holmes excelled in KC and Baltimore.

Yes, the Chiefs had a great offensive line from 2002-2004 but they didn't block the d-lineman, then the linebackers then the safeties. They opened holes for Holmes but he still had to outthink and out run defenders.

It's pretty much a trend around here that the older guys tend to favor Holmes while the younger guys favor Charles. It's understandable but both were fantastic running backs, when healthy.

I agree that Watt is elite and deserving of the HOF right now. I was simply busting your chops because of the wording you used in your listing of elite criteria. :D

Dont get me wrong..Holmes was a total bad-ass. Charles is just better....I'm trusting my lying eyes on that.

I prefer Holmes running style to Charles but it's really a silly argument because both have been phenomenal Chiefs running backs.

It would be nice to see Charles return to form and have three more successful seasons so that he's at least in the HOF conversation. As it stands, his numbers are far short and if longevity wasn't an issue, Terrell Davis would be in the HOF (and IMO, rightfully so).

:D All good

I can live with the idea that, even when Peters messes up, you have to be perfect to take advantage.

So is Joe Flacco elite?

I'd imagine this is for Dane but f******* no.

Regarding the Emmitt Smith debate, his best attributes were...

1) he was flat out tough

2) anticipation/vision

3) durability/longevity

I forget who they were playing, but he played at least a full half of football with a broken collarbone... with his physical style of play, that is the definition GRITTY AND TOUGH, it was unheard of

But there is certainly plenty of merit to the arguments that point out the teams he played on, they were dominant at every offensive position, a perennial All Madden unit... and yes, the line he enjoyed through the years was always top shelf and often the very best in the league

He was great, no question... but truly deserving of GOAT? I dont care what the record book says... no way

If Jammal Charles had played for a team like that through his career, his YPC and yards would be absolutely stupid

And if Barry Sanders had played for them, forget it... no one would ever beat his records, period. That poor guy got ****ed so bad on the Lions, cant blame him a bit for retiring early

Davis? Oh hell no! No chance in hell he is one of the best ever. Straight line runner that had a great OL. He was not all that great.

So Dee Ford said it was nice to "knock off some rust" in his interview today...

What the hell is THAT supposed to mean? Rust? Seriously? I didn't see him knock anything off in preseason game #1. The kid doesn't even TALK a good game.

LMAO

Q: How do you feel after that first preseason game?

FORD: "It feels good to go out and knock some rust off - by rust I mean actual game experience. It's one thing going at practice and going up against the same guys - pretty much every day and especially in preseason. You don't game plan - you just go out and play. It was good to knock some rust off and get out there and fly around."

Holy shit you guys are blowing every little thing this guy does/says out or proportion. Nothing wrong with that quote.

You're probably right, staylor. However, I'd be more inclined to cut him a break if he in fact made a play or two whilst he was "flying around" out there. I'm tired of waiting on this guy to do something.

Cheating offensive line. Not great. Cheating. I guess maybe they were great at cheating, though.

He'd better realize that there is a lot riding on the Rams game.




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I didn't see a thread in the lobby, but apparently Bray is "injured"

Does that mean he isn't getting cut? :eek:

Does anyone know how many players have had multiple 20 sack seasons?

I'll give you a hint.

It falls somewhere between 0 and 2.

Yes I heard that as well. Shouldn't be any rust but rather he should have said still working on "hitting on all cylinders" if he were honest.:D

No we are not. He is telling on himself big time !!

Don't try and tell Dane that. Dude acts like those kinds of seasons are run of the mill.

"Yeah, he'll need uh a couple more 20 sacks seasons, two Super Bowl rings, a league MVP, aaaaand, oh yeah, 80 tackles (because that ****ing matters for a 3-4 OLB) before I consider him elite."

Houston was an elite defender because he was top notch against the run, was a ferocious pass rusher with as much ability as anyone that could beat you with quickness, speed or power...and was solid in coverage.

There really aren't many players like him in the league.

I have said all along I hope he's able to return after the bye week against the Raiders. That's gonna be a big game.

:facepalm:

You are truly dumb as ****

I think that's actually the opposite of what his original argument was.

He was saying that the likelihood of Houston performing that well ever again is extremely low. Therefore it doesn't make a lot of sense to think that the drop off to a replacement level player will be as significant as people are making it out to be.

Yeah, he was wrong about that as well. Just because Houston doesn't notch another 22-sack season doesn't mean his impact in other aspects of the game won't be significant. The drop-off from Houston to Ford is like a ****ing chasm. Think the Grand Canyon. For God's sake, people are talking about cutting Ford in another thread!

At any rate, he actually did say exactly what I just facetiously posted. He said Houston isn't elite, explicitly.

People are stupid and Houston has made zero impact in the playoffs.

You have zero understanding of football.

Z-E-R-O.

Good luck with your fantasy team.

Fair enough but there is a middle ground. We did win games without Houston, as we did without Charles. That doesn't mean they aren't great, just that the roster strong enough to survive being without a playmaker for a few weeks.

I think Ford has a LONG way to go, but I'm not panicking about the season.

One season doesn't make someone "Elite".

You are a byproduct of today's society.

Everything is "Amazing". People that just do their own shit to an average level are praised, not by their employer, but by their friends as being "exceptional".

Just like your dumbass showing off a 27" TV.

I wouldn't have an issue if he had said that.

If this is rust then he's been "rusty" on run defense ever since he got here. The Seahawks didn't put much effort into gameplanning. I would hate to see what would happen if a team did.

Not much has been said of Pughsley but he played most of his time at LT with the 2's in the game (if not all of it?) He wasn't too bad. He gave up a pressure for near sack to Marsh I know, but I think he's a depth lock they are giving work at multiple spots.

In Tamba's interviews it sounds like he lacks the ethic. Of course I think most would lack when being compared to T.

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