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Chris Meck 04-23-2019 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 14222906)
After pondering this all day I've come to feel good about this trade.

Clark is basically Houston in his prime. Win.
Houston was injured ever since he got a new contract.
Ford had ONE good year where his back wasn't hurt.
Houston is 30 , Clark is 25.
Any draft pick we take at #29 will need a year to assimilate. Clark won't. Same with next years 2nd we traded.
We can still find good players at 61/63 to contribute now.
This was a huge move to win the SB next year.


I like it.

and in 2020, and 2021.

nobody bats and eye if we spend #29 and a 2020 #2 to move up to take a guy in the draft...who will only be a rotational player more than likely in 2019 and perhaps a starter in 2020 and really only a fully kick-ass player (with luck) in 2021.

I mean that is a reasonable trajectory. See Chris Jones.

We just skipped all that and went straight to kick-ass. And he's about to turn 26. Yeah, we had to pay him, **** it, we cleared the cap space for a reason.

Megatron96 04-23-2019 05:27 PM

Damn. I just finished reading the whole thread. Somebody hurry up and write another post while I make some popcorn!

CasselGotPeedOn 04-23-2019 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14222921)
My stupid ass bricked the thread.

https://allmyroads.files.wordpress.c...752.gif?w=1400

JohnnyHammersticks 04-23-2019 05:29 PM

CP Monday: Damnit what is Veach doing, we only have 1 or 2 more years with Mahomes on his rookie deal!!???! Get some defensive talent in here!!! I'm gonna die!!!!

CP Tuesday: Damnit what is Veach doing, now we have no chance to draft (insert name of unproven prospect with a coinflip's chance of making it here)? Fire Veach!!! I'm gonna die!!!!!

I think it's a REALLY good deal. Like I think most of Veach's moves this offseason have been. But I have a fully-functioning cerebral cortex, so take it with a grain of salt.

Chris Meck 04-23-2019 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14222893)
Ogbah and Jones are the top 2 players at batted balls. They will be in there on third downs with Nnadi coming out on passing plays

I agree. The rotation looks really solid now.

We may see some of these guys flourish now too; Daly's a damned good coach.

BigRedChief 04-23-2019 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 14222848)
People claiming Veach should be fired, mostly.

I mean, I thought *I* was overly attached to draft picks. Some of y'all think they are more valuable than 25 year old proven talent. People have been bitching about the lack of a pass rush, then bitch when Veach acquires a Top 5 DE.

There's nothing in this draft we could have acquired for a similar price that will provide the impact Clark will.

Khalil Mack stats compared to Frank Clark last 3 seasons

Frank Clark - 47 games, 32 sacks, 31 TFL, 66 QB Hits

Khalil Mack - 46 games, 34 sacks, 39 TFL, 66 QB Hits

TwistedChief 04-23-2019 05:32 PM

Discussion from The Athletic (plug for them: it's a wonderful source of content and totally worth a subscription):

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CONNOR HUGHES: The Jets were interested in acquiring Clark, which shouldn’t come as much of a surprise. The team hasn’t had a dominant edge rusher since trading John Abraham to the Falcons in 2006. The issue? They didn’t have the means to get a deal done. The Jets called, but Seahawks told them they wanted the No. 3 pick. New York wasn’t willing to do that unless Seattle included its first-round selection (No. 21 overall). Seattle quickly shot that down. They wanted to add a first rounder, not improve their draft positioning. The Chiefs offer allowed them to do that. The Jets, without a second-round pick this year, couldn’t match.

NATE TAYLOR: The Seahawks needed additional draft picks, and the Chiefs were one of the few teams who had the assets to get a deal done, but Kansas City needs to be right about Clark for this deal to really work for both teams. It’s clear the Chiefs believe they are getting an upgrade over Dee Ford, whom the team traded to the San Francisco 49ers earlier this offseason. Clark is entering the prime of his career, and the Chiefs will need him to be a dominant player to remain a top contender in the AFC and potentially win the Super Bowl. Some people will question the Chiefs surrendering the 29th overall pick, but the team clearly believes Clark will be of the best pass rushers in the league for years to come. The best scenario for the Chiefs is Clark having great production over the next three to four seasons for the team to maximize its chances of winning a Super Bowl with quarterback Patrick Mahomes, the league’s reigning MVP.

SETH KEYSOR: The Chiefs are clearly looking to revamp their disastrous 2018 defense, and they’ve pretty much done it in one offseason. They’ve completely altered their approach up front by adding Clark in addition to Alex Okafor, both more traditional 4-3 ends with size and power. The cost was big, both in the form of trade compensation and the contract, but if the Chiefs are right about Clark as a top-end level edge defender against both the pass and the run) then it’ll be worth it for a team that was held back by a defense that did not come through once last season.

MICHAEL-SHAWN DUGAR: The Seahawks were never going to pay Clark $100 million. They could have but never planned on it. With only four draft picks, it made sense for Seattle to explore all possible avenues to acquire more selections. No one on the roster was going to net them a first-round pick and more aside from Russell Wilson. The key to roster construction is draft and develop, and paying lucrative extensions to non-quarterbacks doesn’t always factor into the plan.

The issue with the Clark deal from Seattle’s perspective is it puts pressure on the team to find immediate pass-rush production. Having two first-round picks will theoretically make that task a bit easier, but it’s not as if this team has a strong history of nailing early-round picks. Ask around town about Seattle’s last two first-round picks — right tackle Germain Ifedi (2016) and running back Rashaad Penny (2018) — and you won’t hear overwhelmingly positive responses (you probably won’t hear any good responses about Ifedi, to be honest). Throw in Seattle’s disastrous top pick from the 2017 draft, Malik McDowell, and you’ve got a team that hasn’t hit on its first draft selection since taking Clark 63rd overall in 2015.

BEN BALDWIN: Clark is a very good player. But while he has consistently produced sacks, his underlying numbers — such as ESPN’s Pass Rush Win Rate or pressure percentage — do not place him with the league’s elite, raising concerns about paying him at the top of the market. Given the situation, getting first- and second-round picks from a Chiefs team desperate to add talent is a huge win. An already middling defense lost one of its few players capable of producing splash plays, but given the other holes on the roster, the potential to add cheap talent could pay off in the long run.

SAMUEL GOLD: It’s OK for Seahawks fans to have mixed feelings about this deal. Trading Clark will create a definite void in the Seahawks’ defense. Seattle already needed edge help going into the 2019 NFL Draft, and this will only make that need greater. However, I think the Seahawks made the right decision. They can use the draft picks and cap space to rebuild the defense much more economically now that Russell Wilson has re-signed. The extra cap space should allow them to re-sign defensive leader Bobby Wagner, with ease. I liked Clark a lot as a player, and his strength, speed and effort will all be missed, but this is the correct decision for the future of the franchise.

LINDSAY JONES: From a purely football perspective, this move makes a ton of sense for the Chiefs, no matter how steep the price they paid to get Clark. (And let’s be clear, Kansas City gave up a lot in draft capital in addition to what will be an extremely lucrative long-term contract for Clark). Right now the Chiefs have the luxury to pay a premium for an elite defensive player. I was skeptical about the Chiefs’ plans in March when they moved on from both Justin Houston (cut) and Dee Ford (traded to San Francisco) because even though Patrick Mahomes should give the Chiefs an edge in most games, with the ability to frequently score at least 30 points, the Chiefs needed to find a way to maximize this window when their franchise quarterback was on an affordable contract.

As a football player, Clark is worth it. He is the rare defensive end who is equally strong against the run (this makes him a superior fit for a 4-3 defense than Ford,) and he is as good a pure edge rusher as there is in the NFL. Still, this move carries some risk for the Chiefs given Clark’s 2014 arrest on a domestic violence charge and a 2017 incident in which he punched a teammate during a training camp practice. The Chiefs are no strangers to taking on players with character concerns, but given the franchise’s recent history with Kareem Hunt and Tyreek Hill, the Chiefs better be sure Clark won’t be a liability off the field.

SHEIL KAPADIA: Once the Seahawks decided they were not going to pay up to keep Clark long term, they had two options: have him play under the franchise tag or trade him. They opted for the latter and did great in terms of compensation. One key to building around an expensive quarterback is to pile up draft picks and get a lot of swings to acquire young, inexpensive players. This move helps GM John Schneider do that. As for the Chiefs, Andy Reid has always viewed defensive end as a premium position. In the last two seasons, Clark has produced a sack or QB hit on 9.84 percent of his pass-rush opportunities, per SportRadar. That ranks fourth league-wide. There’s no doubt that Kansas City is giving up a lot, but I don’t have a huge issue with them rolling the dice and being aggressive. Clark is an elite pass rusher who will be 26 at the start of next season and has missed just two games in four seasons.

JAY GLAZER: Clark fits what the Chiefs are trying to do scheme-wise way better than Dee Ford did. The Seahawks had talks with teams for a while on him, including the Jets. This is an incredibly deep draft for pass rushers to find another one who they don’t have to pay such a huge figure to this year.

The Franchise 04-23-2019 05:32 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">. <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SportsCenter</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/KNegandhiESPN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KNegandhiESPN</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/sagesteele?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sagesteele</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AdamSchefter</a> I certainly hope we didn’t fire Spags and bring on Joseph. Also who is Al Holcomb? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/IFoMAFZ2GX">pic.twitter.com/IFoMAFZ2GX</a></p>&mdash; Brett Rasdall (@BrettRasdall) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettRasdall/status/1120823833387249665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Red Dawg 04-23-2019 05:32 PM

Big money deals rarely produce what they should. What DL got a huge deal and it deemed worth it? Meanwhile Bill B. gets rid of his best DL's for nothing or picks and just drafts more or pays vets one year deals.

It's a go for it move but we need more.

New World Order 04-23-2019 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14222940)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">. <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SportsCenter</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/KNegandhiESPN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KNegandhiESPN</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/sagesteele?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sagesteele</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AdamSchefter</a> I certainly hope we didn’t fire Spags and bring on Joseph. Also who is Al Holcomb? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/IFoMAFZ2GX">pic.twitter.com/IFoMAFZ2GX</a></p>&mdash; Brett Rasdall (@BrettRasdall) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettRasdall/status/1120823833387249665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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ROFL

Imon Yourside 04-23-2019 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14222921)
My stupid ass bricked the thread.

Fax had something to do with it.

suzzer99 04-23-2019 05:33 PM

Did Superturtle break the thread for anyone else? Ah - I see yes.

Sassy Squatch 04-23-2019 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14222945)
Did Superturtle break the thread for anyone else? Ah - I see yes.

No...

Easy 6 04-23-2019 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14222935)
Khalil Mack stats compared to Frank Clark last 3 seasons

Frank Clark - 47 games, 32 sacks, 31 TFL, 66 QB Hits

Khalil Mack - 46 games, 34 sacks, 39 TFL, 66 QB Hits

Wow, that really puts things in perspective

This defense is gonna turn things around so much faster than most anticipated

Easy 6 04-23-2019 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14222940)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">. <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SportsCenter</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/KNegandhiESPN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KNegandhiESPN</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/sagesteele?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sagesteele</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AdamSchefter</a> I certainly hope we didn’t fire Spags and bring on Joseph. Also who is Al Holcomb? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/IFoMAFZ2GX">pic.twitter.com/IFoMAFZ2GX</a></p>&mdash; Brett Rasdall (@BrettRasdall) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettRasdall/status/1120823833387249665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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ESPN :shake:

Chris Meck 04-23-2019 05:36 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3yKkXU2Uhw

I choose violence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWBHp7IdWZs

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-23-2019 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14222773)
They held out and not a lot of teams were jumping on the market for a future second round pick. In what fantasy do you think they were going to leverage one team bidding agaisnt themselves for a 1+4?

The reality is teams don't think Dee Ford is nearly as good as you do. Any questions?

Yes one question:

I told you at the beginning of this that I deemed him not worth a ****ing hand job and a crate of bananas, so why are you implying that I feel otherwise?

Still, I am saddened that you did not choose to carry on with the scenario as I was about to teach you a valuable lesson.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-23-2019 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14222940)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">. <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SportsCenter</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/KNegandhiESPN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KNegandhiESPN</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/sagesteele?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sagesteele</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AdamSchefter</a> I certainly hope we didn’t fire Spags and bring on Joseph. Also who is Al Holcomb? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/IFoMAFZ2GX">pic.twitter.com/IFoMAFZ2GX</a></p>&mdash; Brett Rasdall (@BrettRasdall) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettRasdall/status/1120823833387249665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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What in gods name???? That's not even slightly comical.

Hammock Parties 04-23-2019 05:45 PM

Folks.

We are going all out to win the Super Bowl this year

This is just the beginning.

Bowser 04-23-2019 05:45 PM

I read the first 50 posts and gave up on the rest.

I don't give a shit how much we traded or how much he costs, as long as I'm at the ****ing parade next February watching Clark and the rest hold the Lombardi over his head driving down Main Street.

TwistedChief 04-23-2019 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14222968)
Folks.

We are going all out to win the Super Bowl this year

This is just the beginning.

Clay gets it. He's already finishing up his Super Bowl Championship video.

BryanBusby 04-23-2019 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14222968)
Folks.

We are going all out to win the Super Bowl this year

This is just the beginning.

I'm not even certain that we won't be picking on Thursday. Veach knows how close his roster is.

JohnnyHammersticks 04-23-2019 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14222968)
Folks.

We are going all out to win the Super Bowl this year

This is just the beginning.

Our defense might be...(gulp)...dare I say it?....pretty damn good. As long as we do something about our Ragland problem.

OnTheWarpath15 04-23-2019 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14222968)
Folks.

We are going all out to win the Super Bowl this year

This is just the beginning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14222969)
I read the first 50 posts and gave up on the rest.

I don't give a shit how much we traded or how much he costs, as long as I'm at the ****ing parade next February watching Clark and the rest hold the Lombardi over his head driving down Main Street.


https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oFzm...467738414c2dc1

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-23-2019 05:54 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">See you soon my good brotha! ������ <a href="https://t.co/uAkzNpbFpC">https://t.co/uAkzNpbFpC</a></p>&mdash; Frank Clark (@TheRealFrankC_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealFrankC_/status/1120832516716486658?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

FloridaMan88 04-23-2019 05:54 PM

Drafturbators have a sick obsession with not wanting to trade draft picks.

There is no one the Chiefs were realistically going to draft with the 29th pick who would have the same immediate impact that Frank Clark will have next season.

srvy 04-23-2019 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 14222406)
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

How many SuperBowl MVPs have been given to the DE of the winning team?

Welcome to the new Kansas City Chiefs, same as the old Kansas City Chiefs.

Well probably more deserved MVP but thats the nature of the game.

In our one and only SB win Aaron Brown deserved MVP as much as anyone he brutalized Joe Kapp but Lenny got it mostly for all he went thu with the gambling thing.

TwistedChief 04-23-2019 05:54 PM

Won't post a link but the Mellinger take gets strongly into the morality of it. I don't agree with a lot of you on the Star's treatment of Hill (which I think has been warranted), but I thought this should be more of a footnote than a focus in Clark's case.

Easy 6 04-23-2019 05:54 PM

Breeland
Matthieu
Clark
Okafor
Ogbah

That’s a tidy little offseason haul in anyone’s book, a nice little “draft” all by it’s self

BlackOp 04-23-2019 05:55 PM

Chiefs paid a lot but it was for production NOW...much like the Watkins situation. They have a financial window to exploit.. and they needed a plug and play DE.

Keeping the SF 2nd rounder could mean jumping almost 20 spots...depending their record this year. I like that they gained 8 spots in the 3rd...that could mean the difference in a Hunt/Kelce.

JohnnyHammersticks 04-23-2019 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14222968)
Folks.

We are going all out to win the Super Bowl this year

This is just the beginning.

I hear a certain perennial all-pro CB just removed all Cardinals insignias from his social media account. Wonder if he'd take some extremely cap-friendly deal to be the odds-on favorite to win a SB?

:hmmm:

Chris Meck 04-23-2019 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 14222994)
I hear a certain perennial all-pro CB just removed all Cardinals insignias from his social media account. Wonder if he'd take some extremely cap-friendly deal to be the odds-on favorite to win a SB?

:hmmm:

well, that'd be nice, wouldn't it? But I doubt it.

Marcellus 04-23-2019 05:59 PM

Keep in mind people we get to keep the better of our 2 2nd round picks next year and if we have another kick ass season the one we lose is basically a 3rd rounder.

So in essence we gave up a damn near 2nd rounder a damn near 3rd rounder and improved our 3rd round slot this year and 2nd round slot next year with the Ford trade and the Clark trade.

Think about that.

Sassy Squatch 04-23-2019 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 14222994)
I hear a certain perennial all-pro CB just removed all Cardinals insignias from his social media account. Wonder if he'd take some extremely cap-friendly deal to be the odds-on favorite to win a SB?

:hmmm:

He's upset because he's not getting paid. Why would that change?

JohnnyHammersticks 04-23-2019 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14222982)
Drafturbators have a sick obsession with not wanting to trade draft picks.

There is no one the Chiefs were realistically going to draft with the 29th pick who would have the same immediate impact that Frank Clark will have next season.

In the immortal words of Funkadelic, "You Hit the Nail on the Head".

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-23-2019 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14222997)
Keep in mind people we get to keep the better of our 2 2nd round picks next year and if we have another kick ass season the one we lose is basically a 3rd rounder.

So in essence we gave up a damn near 2nd rounder a damn near 3rd rounder and improved our 3rd round slot this year and 2nd round slot next year with the Ford trade and the Clark trade.

Think about that.

And people here want Veach fired...

JohnnyHammersticks 04-23-2019 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14222998)
He's upset because he's not getting paid. Why would that change?

Just let a man dream for a minute or two, capiche??

BigRedChief 04-23-2019 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 14222985)
Breeland
Matthieu
Clark
Okafor
Ogbah

That’s a tidy little offseason haul in anyone’s book, a nice little “draft” all by it’s self

Farzin’s speculative defense

RDE: Frank Clark
RDT: Chris Jones
LDT: Derrick Nnadi
LDE: Emmanuel Ogbah (unless Alex Okafor converts to the left side)

SLB: Damien Wilson
MLB: Reggie Ragland (or DOD?)
WLB: Anthony Hitchens

CB: Bashaud Breeland, Kendall Fuller
FS: Tyrann Mathieu
SS: Dan Sorensen

Chris Meck 04-23-2019 06:04 PM

Here's what I love about this deal.

Some of y'all may remember I was all in on Flowers in Free Agency. The reason? Productive player, well rounded, and YOUNG. STILL IMPROVING.

Well, Clark is BETTER. And yeah, still 25, and STILL IMPROVING.

This is not a 'stop-gap' move, which honestly, is what I thought they'd do. This is a throw-your-chips-in go for it move. And it doesn't **** you in the long run. We're still in decent cap shape. We still have to draft well, but that's always true, no matter what.

But this is a move not to create a 'decent' defense. A 'good enough' defense. This is a move to a kick-the-shit-out-of-you defense.

We're a corner, maybe a LB away from being a top tier unit. After as bad as we were last year, that's huge.

I thought we had middling talent last year, and i still say that's true; but a lame scheme and shit coaching made it historically bad.

I'm pumped. Let's get a ring. Then another. Then another. Let's ****ing three-peat.

Chris Meck 04-23-2019 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14223011)
Farzin’s speculative defense

RDE: Frank Clark
RDT: Chris Jones
LDT: Derrick Nnadi
LDE: Emmanuel Ogbah (unless Alex Okafor converts to the left side)

SLB: Damien Wilson
MLB: Reggie Ragland (or DOD?)
WLB: Anthony Hitchens

CB: Bashaud Breeland, Kendall Fuller
FS: Tyrann Mathieu
SS: Dan Sorensen

On the line, Daly's history is to move guys around a LOT. Like constantly. It creates confusion and match-up problems for the line. As you watch Clark's tape, you'll see him on the left, on the right, inside, as an actual off-ball linebacker, all over the place.

I would expect that these guys will be anywhere and everywhere on any given play.

Halfcan 04-23-2019 06:09 PM

Frank Clark eats nuclear waste for breakfast and farts clouds of radiation. He is the destroyer of worlds. Not even the Avengers can stop him.

Red Dawg 04-23-2019 06:10 PM

Why was KK stupid self saying we also swaped 2nds with Seattle? Was that in the deal?

Hoover 04-23-2019 06:10 PM

I think people would be more excited if his name wasn’t ****ing Frank Clark....

Hard to get excited about a dude with that name

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-23-2019 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14222982)
Drafturbators have a sick obsession with not wanting to trade draft picks.

There is no one the Chiefs were realistically going to draft with the 29th pick who would have the same immediate impact that Frank Clark will have next season.

I'll bet the little snark **** does it next year too. ANYTHING to keep from having to prove his mettle with a full draft board.
****, he can hardly swing with ONE guy on the phone much less multiple teams lighting his ass up. Yep, all those lights start flashing and down comes the piss from his 'Shazam' Underoos to the floor.

prhom 04-23-2019 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14223022)
On the line, Daly's history is to move guys around a LOT. Like constantly. It creates confusion and match-up problems for the line. As you watch Clark's tape, you'll see him on the left, on the right, inside, as an actual off-ball linebacker, all over the place.

I would expect that these guys will be anywhere and everywhere on any given play.

Oddly enough, I'm kind of excited to see how this new defense plays this year. Last year it was time to get another beer from the fridge or take a piss when defense was on the field. Things may be different this time!

ROYC75 04-23-2019 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14222997)
Keep in mind people we get to keep the better of our 2 2nd round picks next year and if we have another kick ass season the one we lose is basically a 3rd rounder.

So in essence we gave up a damn near 2nd rounder a damn near 3rd rounder and improved our 3rd round slot this year and 2nd round slot next year with the Ford trade and the Clark trade.

Think about that.

OK, I just found out we did this and I WAS READY TO BLOW A DAMN GASKET!:cuss: WTF, WHY NOT MOVE UP IN THE DRAFT AGAIN?

So without really thinking on this I cautiously took a little time to read up, I ran across your take on this. :hmmm: You have a solid argument, the kicker is how much money did we have to give up and for how long.

OK, I need to read up some more.

One thing for sure, Son of a Bitch our D is going to look a hell of a lot different next year!

Question is, How much different and will it be enough?

We may not have a Defense, but a defense is better than an efense! :harumph:

FloridaMan88 04-23-2019 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14223012)
Here's what I love about this deal.

Some of y'all may remember I was all in on Flowers in Free Agency. The reason? Productive player, well rounded, and YOUNG. STILL IMPROVING.

Well, Clark is BETTER. And yeah, still 25, and STILL IMPROVING.

This is not a 'stop-gap' move, which honestly, is what I thought they'd do. This is a throw-your-chips-in go for it move. And it doesn't **** you in the long run. We're still in decent cap shape. We still have to draft well, but that's always true, no matter what.

But this is a move not to create a 'decent' defense. A 'good enough' defense. This is a move to a kick-the-shit-out-of-you defense.

We're a corner, maybe a LB away from being a top tier unit. After as bad as we were last year, that's huge.

I thought we had middling talent last year, and i still say that's true; but a lame scheme and shit coaching made it historically bad.

I'm pumped. Let's get a ring. Then another. Then another. Let's ****ing three-peat.

It is the best of both worlds... a move that is consistent with the Chiefs win now/Super Bowl or bust mindset, but also a move that should have a long term shelf life with a 25 year old player just entering the prime of his career.

Chris Meck 04-23-2019 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14223033)
I think people would be more excited if his name wasn’t ****ing Frank Clark....

Hard to get excited about a dude with that name

Watch footage of him literally throwing LT's at QB's for strip-sacks and that goes away.

BlackOp 04-23-2019 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14223012)

But this is a move not to create a 'decent' defense. A 'good enough' defense. This is a move to a kick-the-shit-out-of-you defense.

We're a corner, maybe a LB away from being a top tier unit. After as bad as we were last year, that's huge.

I thought we had middling talent last year, and i still say that's true; but a lame scheme and shit coaching made it historically bad.
.

Having a last second Scanderick CB and bringing back Parker..plus the Amerson fail. Berry sitting on his $14 million dollar ass didn't help. Watts getting hurt..

Yeah KC is in better shape this season....add in the most important factor, Sutton is gone.

Draft a FS, CB and TE...or center/LB.

ROYC75 04-23-2019 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14223033)
I think people would be more excited if his name wasn’t ****ing Frank Clark....

Hard to get excited about a dude with that name

Should be better than a Crank Far(t)k.

Hammock Parties 04-23-2019 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 14222974)
Clay gets it. He's already finishing up his Super Bowl Championship video.

For Bono.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AccurateHi...restricted.gif

Easy 6 04-23-2019 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14223011)
Farzin’s speculative defense

RDE: Frank Clark
RDT: Chris Jones
LDT: Derrick Nnadi
LDE: Emmanuel Ogbah (unless Alex Okafor converts to the left side)

SLB: Damien Wilson
MLB: Reggie Ragland (or DOD?)
WLB: Anthony Hitchens

CB: Bashaud Breeland, Kendall Fuller
FS: Tyrann Mathieu
SS: Dan Sorensen

I’d rather put Dirty Dan on the bench for Lucas, but we could go with that

But who knows, more changes could lie ahead this weekend and on into team cut downs later on...

TwistedChief 04-23-2019 06:20 PM

Some psychopath in the loony bin of the "Are NFL games influenced by outsiders?" thread had this hot take:

Quote:

Frank Clark = 251 (Jewish) 251 is the 54th prime.

He is born on FLAG day and the Flag was born on 6+14+17+77 = 114.
Clark = 114 (Jewish)

He will be 26 years old for SB54. Flag = 26 (Ordinal).

Chiefs playoff record with 3 playoffs victories is 13-19 (1319) the 215th prime.
215 ( Philly) Area Code no coincidence. Flag sewn in Philly. 13 stripes on the flag and there were originally 13 states. The 13th should win them SB54. 13 is the number of Satan/rebellion in the bible. America is Babylon after all, it fits the description in the book of jeremiah and others perfectly.

50 years since the Chiefs have made a SB. 50 stars on the flag.

9 months and 11 days inc end date to SB54.
ON St George's day.
The flag of Saint George features the cross and SB54 is being played on the 33rd day of the year. Jesus crucified at the age of 33.
Two takeaways:
1. If you don't like this trade, you may or may not be anti-Semitic.
2. As bad as you thought that thread may have become, it's so much worse than BlackOp just talking to himself at 2am.

Chris Meck 04-23-2019 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14223028)
Frank Clark eats nuclear waste for breakfast and farts clouds of radiation. He is the destroyer of worlds. Not even the Avengers can stop him.

Someone said as they were watching his tape that he looks a lot like pre-knee injury Justin Houston.

I think that's a pretty fair comparison, but I don't remember Houston ever having that violent a first movement across the line. He beat people with a bull rush, but that initial pop that Clark has just knocks these 300+ pound men on their heels. I mean there are plays in which he's literally throwing OT's into the QB.

I've not seen an EDGE player do that, I don't think. Not that I remember.

I mean, you know, Andy Reid said the quickest path to the QB was from the inside, but throwing the OT at him might work too.

Hammock Parties 04-23-2019 06:21 PM

Hitchens isn't playing weakside.

FlorentinePogen 04-23-2019 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14222951)

Reminds me a bit of prime Tamba in those clips. Nice agility, great motor and use of leverage and big wingspan to push and rip blockers and corral on tackles.

staylor26 04-23-2019 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14223062)
Hitchens isn't playing weakside.

Umm yes he is.

That’s what the media guys have said and that’s what he did well in Dallas.

Chris Meck 04-23-2019 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FlorentinePogen (Post 14223064)
Reminds me a bit of prime Tamba in those clips. Nice agility, great motor and use of leverage and big wingspan to push and rip blockers and corral on tackles.

Similar, but I think he closes much faster.

And that first pop at the snap is much more violent.

ROYC75 04-23-2019 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14222987)
Chiefs paid a lot but it was for production NOW...much like the Watkins situation. They have a financial window to exploit.. and they needed a plug and play DE.

Keeping the SF 2nd rounder could mean jumping almost 20 spots...depending their record this year. I like that they gained 8 spots in the 3rd...that could mean the difference in a Hunt/Kelce.

Well look for a WR or 2 in the draft, good bye to Watkins, we gotta pay Clark!

Wait, isn't that what Chiefs fans been doing for years, Paying Clark? :D

Chris Meck 04-23-2019 06:25 PM

You can tell in a lot of those clips that the offensive lineman is caught off guard by the force of his initial contact. These are guys that outweigh him by 40 pounds on average. And he just explodes into them.

New World Order 04-23-2019 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14223071)
You can tell in a lot of those clips that the offensive lineman is caught off guard by the force of his initial contact. These are guys that outweigh him by 40 pounds on average. And he just explodes into them.

Reminds me of a prime Pierre Paul (with all of his fingers).

seclark 04-23-2019 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14223033)
I think people would be more excited if his name wasn’t ****ing Frank Clark....

Hard to get excited about a dude with that name

**** you hoover
Sec

Hammock Parties 04-23-2019 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14223065)
Umm yes he is.

That’s what the media guys have said and that’s what he did well in Dallas.

He also played MLB in Dallas, and the Chiefs don't have a MLB worth a shit on the rest of the roster. Ragland can't play inside in a 4-3.

This defense looks far better to me playing Hitchens in the middle with DOD and Wilson on the outside.

Easy 6 04-23-2019 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14223033)
I think people would be more excited if his name wasn’t ****ing Frank Clark....

Hard to get excited about a dude with that name

Heh right... he was your drivers ed instructor, or your dads old buddy

staylor26 04-23-2019 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14223081)
He also played MLB in Dallas, and the Chiefs don't have a MLB worth a shit on the rest of the roster. Ragland can't play inside in a 4-3.

This defense looks far better to me playing Hitchens in the middle with DOD and Wilson on the outside.

I expected this as well, but all signs point to it being Hitchens, Ragland, Wilson in base and DOD, Hitchens in subs.

Chris Meck 04-23-2019 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14223065)
Umm yes he is.

That’s what the media guys have said and that’s what he did well in Dallas.

Well, yes and no.

Hitchens AND Wilson each played all three spots. And different spots in sub packages.

I think, and this is just my theory-based on the hiring of Spagnuolo, who was famous for a '4 aces' package of DE's moving in and out, and Daly, who moved guys all over for NE...and Honey Badger, who plays either S position... What if they intend to just pressure the offense from anywhere and everywhere with a bunch of guys that are just flexible?

I think people getting caught up in 'traditional' roles are going to be confused. I don't think that's the plan. I think they're going to put people anywhere and everywhere and not telegraph anything.

With the rules the way they are, you can't just line up and play man. You can't really hit the QB. Confusion is your only remaining weapon, right?

Take Honey Badger; he's played slot corner. he's played free safety. Strong safety. He does it all with aggression.

I don't think it's an accident that he was the guy we went after.

Daly's lines move all over the place. When I was interested in Flowers as a free agent, I looked at a lot of film, and he lined up everywhere. Spags kind of pioneered that with the Giants that beat NE's unbeaten team.

I think that idea is even more relevant now.

We're going to play zone, and man, and mixed coverages, and any/all manner of stunts and crosses, and you're going to have to deal with it in your pre-snap read and you better guess right or you're going down.

FlorentinePogen 04-23-2019 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14223066)
Similar, but I think he closes much faster.

And that first pop at the snap is much more violent.

Yeah definitely. Tamba seemed to have kind of a flat-footed, bow-legged gait when pursuing tackles in space, whereas Clark looks like a heat-seeking missile. Really impressed with his power and speed off the line, too.

ROYC75 04-23-2019 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14223088)
Well, yes and no.

Hitchens AND Wilson each played all three spots. And different spots in sub packages.

I think, and this is just my theory-based on the hiring of Spagnuolo, who was famous for a '4 aces' package of DE's moving in and out, and Daly, who moved guys all over for NE...and Honey Badger, who plays either S position... What if they intend to just pressure the offense from anywhere and everywhere with a bunch of guys that are just flexible?

I think people getting caught up in 'traditional' roles are going to be confused. I don't think that's the plan. I think they're going to put people anywhere and everywhere and not telegraph anything.

With the rules the way they are, you can't just line up and play man. You can't really hit the QB. Confusion is your only remaining weapon, right?

Take Honey Badger; he's played slot corner. he's played free safety. Strong safety. He does it all with aggression.

I don't think it's an accident that he was the guy we went after.

Daly's lines move all over the place. When I was interested in Flowers as a free agent, I looked at a lot of film, and he lined up everywhere. Spags kind of pioneered that with the Giants that beat NE's unbeaten team.

I think that idea is even more relevant now.

We're going to play zone, and man, and mixed coverages, and any/all manner of stunts and crosses, and you're going to have to deal with it in your pre-snap read and you better guess right or you're going down.

Chris, this make a lot of sense dating back to Spags, Giants over NE.

Now It's going to be,Offense, line up and expect the unexpected instead of the norm.

Halfcan 04-23-2019 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14222951)

How can anyone watch this and not be excited? Wow, look at those hits on AFC West QB's!!

SAUTO 04-23-2019 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14223011)
Farzin’s speculative defense

RDE: Frank Clark
RDT: Chris Jones
LDT: Derrick Nnadi
LDE: Emmanuel Ogbah (unless Alex Okafor converts to the left side)

SLB: Damien Wilson
MLB: Reggie Ragland (or DOD?)
WLB: Anthony Hitchens

CB: Bashaud Breeland, Kendall Fuller
FS: Tyrann Mathieu
SS: Dan Sorensen

I would think dod and hitchens DOD be swapped.

O.city 04-23-2019 06:45 PM

Speaks is starting somewhere

saphojunkie 04-23-2019 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 14223011)
Farzin’s speculative defense

RDE: Frank Clark
RDT: Chris Jones
LDT: Derrick Nnadi
LDE: Emmanuel Ogbah (unless Alex Okafor converts to the left side)

SLB: Damien Wilson
MLB: Reggie Ragland (or DOD?)
WLB: Anthony Hitchens

CB: Bashaud Breeland, Kendall Fuller
FS: Tyrann Mathieu
SS: Dan Sorensen

I believe Honey badger will be playing SS.

Here's my take:

RDE: Clark
DT: Jones
NT: Nnadi
LDE: Okafor

WLB: DoD
MLB: Hitchens (think he's lost a step since Dallas)
SLB: Wilson

RCB: Fuller
LCB: Ward
SS: Mathieu
FS: Watts

staylor26 04-23-2019 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14223108)
Speaks is starting somewhere

It’s Speaks or Okafor, but I don’t think it’s a sure thing either way.

Chris Meck 04-23-2019 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14223102)
How can anyone watch this and not be excited? Wow, look at those hits on AFC West QB's!!

I KNOW RIGHT

The plays where the just throws the OT into the QB...OMG

Sannyasi 04-23-2019 06:52 PM

I don't like the move. This is a guy who hasn't been healthy since he entered the league. And if the Seahawks weren't willing to pay him, that should make you a little suspicious that the team who knows him best doesn't like him. Obviously if he gives Khalil Mack type performance then the trade will have been worth it, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Chief Northman 04-23-2019 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14223035)
I'll bet the little snark **** does it next year too. ANYTHING to keep from having to prove his mettle with a full draft board.
****, he can hardly swing with ONE guy on the phone much less multiple teams lighting his ass up. Yep, all those lights start flashing and down comes the piss from his 'Shazam' Underoos to the floor.

Jesus dude.

Go root for your Steelers. The loving arms of Big rape are waiting for you.

staylor26 04-23-2019 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sannyasi (Post 14223116)
I don't like the move. This is a guy who hasn't been healthy since he entered the league. And if the Seahawks weren't willing to pay him, that should make you a little suspicious that the team who knows him best doesn't like him. Obviously if he gives Khalil Mack type performance then the trade will have been worth it, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Lol wut?

Chris Meck 04-23-2019 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 14223100)
Chris, this make a lot of sense dating back to Spags, Giants over NE.

Now It's going to be,Offense, line up and expect the unexpected instead of the norm.

I think we're going to see all kinds of shit.

Look the new rules limit how physical you're allowed to be on defense.

Creating doubt and confusion is the only weapon you have left.

So what if you build a defense with the intent of just creating confusion on every snap?

And your front 4 is stout enough to stuff to handle anything you want to throw at them? And you have no idea what the **** the back 7 is doing?

I don't think traditional roles are going to come into play here. Just skillsets.

Marcellus 04-23-2019 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sannyasi (Post 14223116)
I don't like the move. This is a guy who hasn't been healthy since he entered the league. And if the Seahawks weren't willing to pay him, that should make you a little suspicious that the team who knows him best doesn't like him. Obviously if he gives Khalil Mack type performance then the trade will have been worth it, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Are you drunk or just stupid?

Chris Meck 04-23-2019 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sannyasi (Post 14223116)
I don't like the move. This is a guy who hasn't been healthy since he entered the league. And if the Seahawks weren't willing to pay him, that should make you a little suspicious that the team who knows him best doesn't like him. Obviously if he gives Khalil Mack type performance then the trade will have been worth it, but I'll believe it when I see it.


uhhhh....you're thinking of some else. It's literally the only explanation for this post.

He's started 62 of a possible 64 games. And statistically stacks up very favorably with Mack.

So...yeah. You're thinking of someone else.


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