I'm just happy god was kind enough to bless me with a brain.

Im out - I get the people angry - Im just not going to bury someone on a hunch and allegations that I dont have the facts to.

Really?

The evidence a DA has seen that would make him come out with a statement like he did. The audio tape evidence. The reopened investigation.

Open your ****ing eyes and stop looking at this from a "don't take my WR!" perspective.

He good

Hunt never should have been released, and neither should Hill.

Maybe the tape that has him and his woman arguing over who beats their kid the most? :shrug:

Agree!

So using a belt on your kid is abuse?

Why are you defending the fiance here?

Have we flipped on Crystal?

What are you talking about now?

You dont know?

Or the NFL could say that, given the circumstances, that if he's released (to satisfy the outcry), if he's ever allowed back in the NFL the Chiefs will have all the previous rights to him restored as if he never left. I don't care if that means giving us more Cap space and/or a roster spot, it's up to the NFL to allow for the Chiefs to get him back if he's ever allowed back.

Since we know that won't happen, the Chiefs just need to stand their ground.

Chiefs should do what they’re doing no matter what the Mike Florio’s of the world think.

If he’s charged then the questions answer themselves.

If he’s not charged then leave it up to/work with commissioner on punishment,

Suspend him and keep him suspended as long as you want. Let the NFLPA stick up for him if they want to. But don’t surrender his rights so he can end up on an AFC team like they stupidly did with Hunt.

Not saying he should play for the Chiefs again if he’s guilty. Not saying he shouldn’t be punished for what he’s already been shown to have done. Just saying that if the Chiefs toss him to the Raiders or Broncos or Chargers (one of which would pick up his rights in a heartbeat, say they believe in redemption, and let a year pass before having him on their team) then they are idiots.

Hopefully, Clark Hunt and Veach learned their lesson with Kareem Hunt.

I wonder if Crystal coached the son?

I think it would be rather hard to coach a child that young TBH.

Finally someone brings up an valid question rather than the bullshit defenses we've seen for Hill so far.

I thought about this yesterday as the only possibility to why the kid would say what he said. But it seems implausible that the kid eventually wouldnt spill the beans to investigators at his age.

Idk. I’ve watched the Steve Wilkos show and it happens more often then you think?

I don't think Ricky could "punk" Tyreek's 3yo kid, much less Tyreek.

Relative to older children, 3-year-olds have a limited understanding of the effects of their statements on others’ beliefs and are less aware of the negative consequences of revealing transgressions.

3 year olds say whatever someone tells them. If a mom tells the son that daddy hurt him when he actually didn’t, it’s possible he could say these things. Children this young don’t understand the consequences of what they say.

On a side note Crystal admitted to lying to investigators about the abuse incident so it’s possible and plausible that she lied again in saying Tyreek abused the boy when in fact he didnt

He's 6'3 260 vs 5'10 185.

My money would be on Ricky unless Tyreek was running away the whole time.

Best case scenario for Tyreek is that he’s not charged and he is punished for what he says on the tape.

Someone clearly believes he did it — but the police and CPS would have asked his son if he said Tyreek did it and one presumes they were left with enough doubt to not charge. What’s bizarre is if his fiancé just wanted him to fry she’d testify against him, support what her son was saying (though the tape makes it pretty clear that she wasn’t a direct witness to anything), and testify against him. And if she’s not out to fry him (or, put another way, if she’s out to protect him), why make this tape in the first place as “insurance” and then give it to someone else who could then release it whether you want it released or not? If you’re the party that wants Tyreek to go down (justifies or not), why are you holding on to something waiting for him to be charged rather than just letting the police have it? None of these motivations make any sense, they conflict with one another, and all the games on the part of the anti-Tyreek participants in this event seem so unnecessary. Tyreek is going to pay for what he said on the tape regardless of any other outcomes but the whole thing is just bizarre and even those who claim to have the child’s best interest at heart (where the focus really should be) seem to be avoiding actions that would lead in the straightest line to some sort of help for the kid.

Let us know when Ricky's skills get him somewhere better than the CFL.

OMG!!! Look at this Florio

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kareem Hunt has &quot;exceeded expectations&quot; in Cleveland <a href="https://t.co/hnvfBh3pln">https://t.co/hnvfBh3pln</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1122579604294787072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm not judging who is a better football player here, and neither was Ricky.

He called him a "punk ass coward" and that he would like to punch him in the chest, not that he would "punk him."

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs, NFL likely to take action on Tyreek Hill this week <a href="https://t.co/bprEkPoKej">https://t.co/bprEkPoKej</a></p>&mdash; Busch League (@BuschLeagueNY) <a href="https://twitter.com/BuschLeagueNY/status/1122581100168192000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He also just posted that KC should keep Hill on the team and suspended while the investigation plays out.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ill-this-week/

I guess he got around to reading the comments of the readers who were pointing out what a fool he looked like...

I know a ton of people are willing to look the other way just because this guy can score TDs, but imagine of this was your kid being beaten or your daughter. This dude has no respect for anybody, much less his fiance or kid. You have to draw the line somewhere, because if this happened on any other team all of you would be saying suspend him a year. I know everybody is hoping this gets pushed under the rug, but this all started back up when they decided not to press charges and people are concerned for their safety. Yea I know he's innocent u til proven guilty but that until is soon. Tyreek has played his last down as a Chief.

If Hill did anything illegal, he should be in jail.

This isn’t really the NFL or the Chiefs decision. Let’s leave it to the professionals. If he is charged with a crime, put him in jail. If not, keep him. Cleveland Browns do not deserve his services. They WILL take him. No one could ever stop Hill, OBJ, Landry, Njoku, Chubb, Hunt, with a competent QB like Baker

Cutting Hill today won’t make his family safe, it won’t help anything except rival teams

First post was terrible.

Should already be banned

It's amazing this even has to be explained at this point.

He good!

Ugh......so ****ing foolish for us to cut him.

I don't think anybody's looking the other way, I think we're, because the NFL decided to look the other way after we did with KHunt what you appear to want us to now do again with Tyreek. And to that I say no. If he'll never play in the NFL, I think we could swallow that pill, but we sure as hell want the DA to at least file charges, and we want the NFL to ensure he doesn't ever play again in the NFL. And if he does, the Chiefs get to pick up right where they left off, so we can keep him or trade him.

Just beyond reeruned. Should have let the league do their job.

My guess is the league bans him for this year and the Chiefs put him on the list. Retain his rights for next season.

He’s a FA next season

Talk radio keeps saying things like "Hunt has done a good job in Cleveland", "Kareem is being a leader in the huddle"... Wow... That's a bunch of sh*t....when he was in KC it was time to crucify him but now he's a total Saint... Wow

I am glad Clark learned his lesson. I’d rather have Hill over Hunt anyways and we weren’t gonna pay Hunt either.

As much as I am so disgusted in hearing the audio my sound mind and judgement aligns with yours. I expect Tyreek not to be on the field for 10 regular season games weeks anyway. No sense letting him go if another team is just going to pick him up like you said.

Exactly. I wonder how the torches and pitchforks crowd will feel if he torches us for 200 yards in playoff loss to the Browns?

It’s almost as is the sports media people aren’t guided by principles but by their own self interest..... naw, that can’t be it ......lol.

Are my posts okay so far? I want people to like me but I want to be myself also and have opinions.

The situation between them doesn't make sense, that is for sure. In the audio recording, the girlfriend admits that she lied to the cops and CPS in order to protect Tyreek. Yet she recorded and leaked this audio as "insurance" for herself.

I think both of them should probably go to prison for a long time. If she was pretty confident that Tyreek was guilty and she lied to investigators, then she is guilty of Obstruction and you could call her an accomplice in the abuse of the child. Tyreek is likely guilty of the actual abuse of the child, Obstruction if he lied to investigators, and threatening to harm or kill the girlfriend in this audio recording.

Yep..I don't here any atta boys for us now.. he's playing with the Browns..and they are singing his praises! Go figure.. Keep him on the team and let due process play out. If he is suspended so be it. Keep your assets for later in the year! Like it's said before..cutting him only benefits other teams. Also cutting him doesn't change his and his family's personal situation.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rookie head coach already taking L’s with his words ����*♂️ <a href="https://t.co/3jMKpRYsCK">https://t.co/3jMKpRYsCK</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1122595848775438336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He didn’t threatened or try and harm her in the audio. All he said is you should be scared of me. I can’t recall how many times my dad said that to me.

He has already beaten her in the past, so that is a threat to harm her again when he says you should be terrified of me.

Bottom line is both of them look bad in that audio recording. She's on tape admitting that she lied to the investigators. Unless she has already cut a deal with the authorities, leaking this audio is not a good idea by her.

Retain those rights at ALL costs.

I can see it now:

"Tyreek Hill is a new man in New England."

"Tyreek Hill is going all in to change his image in Cleveland"

The only thing the media loves more than to take out their pitchforks, is to write a redemption story.

We were fools to let Kareem Hunt walk and we would be fools to let Tyreek Hill go as well. That doesn't mean he has to play for us, just make sure he doesn't go play for anybody else.

Why should we be punished and somebody else be the beneficiary of stupid actions by our star players?

She didn’t leak this audio. Her friend did!! The KCTV5 reporter had this audio for 2 weeks before it was released

Friend got it from her though, right? So the leak starts with the girlfriend.

I wonder what the NFL will do in Robert Kraft??

I agree 100%. Belichick would love to have Tyreek as a guy with a ton of baggage performing at a very high level on a cheap contract, let's say $5-10m per year instead of $20m at the top of the receiver market.

It's very possible the District Attorney and court system will take care of this issue for the Chiefs. If Tyreek is charged and convicted, no other team in the NFL is going to take advantage of the Chiefs dropping him. So Chiefs should wait for the legal process to play out. Keep him suspended indefinitely until we have a final decision from the DA and courts.

A certain segment of this fan base is going to have to come to grips that there exists a contingent of media and press that have LONG done their best to belittle the Chiefs and who have a vested interest in making sure that we are never a "special" team.
The thought of a Chiefs dynasty chills these folks blood, FACT. It's not a big money/ratings market, and it's a part of the US that most of them wish didn't even exist.
And if you're tired of being the "humored child", then you need stand up and accept a businesslike approach from the team, and expect nothing less going forward.

Someone is gonna leak that tug job video right before the Pats make a playoff run.

If she made this tape as some sort of doomsday weapon to hold over his head, she should have made damn sure whoever she gave it to wouldn't share it with the media. That's the thing about doomsday weapons - they destroy EVERYTHING.

I wonder if anybody involved in this mess has an IQ higher than that of a houseplant.

Here you go: https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/...294787072?s=20

If the girlfriend did not already have a deal in place to protect herself from prosecution, I think this audio leak is very damaging for her.

"I rode for you" sure sounds like "I lied for you" with the prosecutors and CPS investigators. That's Obstruction of Justice at bare minimum and possibly an accomplice in the child abuse itself, if the prosecutors are confident enough to go that direction.

Where did he threaten his GFs life?

Said "you should be terrified of me." Considering he already beat her in the past, he's threatening to beat her again and you can take that further than just a beating as well. "Terrified."

Lol that not a threat to kill. You should be terrified of me could mean he has dirt on her to.

Ha, maybe so.

In any event I think she damaged herself in that audio recording. Sure as hell sounds like she lied to the investigators. That's gonna be a tough one for her to deal with now that the case is re-opened and investigators will be asking further questions.

I would have put the copy in a safe deposit box in the bank with either a most trusted family member like a mom to have access to it with strict directions not to even open it unless my life is in obvious danger or God forbid I am deceased.

I would have a letter along with the copy to have instructions to carry out to make it all legal.

And this brings us back to the question of why the stupid bitch is still with him in the first place, since she could just leave him and live like a queen on NFL salary level child support payments.

Goddamn, I don't get these people. :shake:

His salary is pretty low by NFL standards, but I agree with you. She should have dumped him when he beat her the first time. Battered wife syndrome is a real thing though. Too many times they stay in the abusive relationship.

In the past, my ficus has displayed the capacity for empathy ...

So I'm going with "No".

FAX

If this happens is his contract just paused during the suspension?

Yes, much like josh gordons contract is still his rookie deal

Who knows? Nothing here makes any sense.

LOL ...

You don't ask for much, do you?

FAX

I agree, bunch of contradictory stuff going on in this situation.

We shall see how it plays out and I think the Chiefs should keep the rights to Tyreek while also keeping him suspended until we have a much better idea of the legal situation.

Actually, both of those things could be simultaneously true, Mr. tk13.

Tyreek could have cooperated while the authorities hold the opinion that a crime occurred.

Those aren't necessarily mutually exclusive concepts.

FAX

Be yourself. Some people will like you; some people will hate you; most probably won't give a shit one way or another. That's just the nature of this asylum.

LMAO I'm going with..."no".

Conflation and Tu Quoque are the last resort of an argument based on opinion rather than facts.

We poor Chiefs fans are immersed in a form of the "Liars Paradox", really. Someone says, "I am lying." If the speaker is lying, then the speaker is actually telling the truth. (And, of course, the opposite is also validated.)

Eventually, this may all boil down to the definition of "abuse". Based on what we've seen on this very site, there are varying opinions on that.

I think we can all agree that nobody knows the truth here ... not the entire truth, at least.

FAX

They’re all morons

This is true. The idea of Mahomes being the GOAT sickens them. They don’t want to have to fly to KC for the next 10-20 years to kiss the ring.

But, but, but, not us right? I mean, we are blue bloods! Yes it includes you too KU fan.

They probably activate him after week 8 like k hunt

Another thing the Chiefs should add to the list of things they're waiting on before they decide what to do with Tyreek. At this point, let the NFL know the game is on.

I believe you're more right than wrong. The fact is, the Chiefs and their fans just aren't USED to having to deal with this kind of crap, and on a regular basis. And there's a certain temptation by some fans to quickly "be above the fray" or to be the good guy, OR because it happens to be middle America, to go running for the morality clause that suits them best.

Teams have been dealing with this shit for years, only now it's more public, more loud, and much more of a media sideshow than it was in decades past. And while I can understand the desire to want to be freed from this nightmare, the best thing to do is let the Chiefs know that you don't want any more players like this. And you sure as hell don't want to get attached to them or come to depend on them, only to have them fail you like you probably knew they would.

When it comes to this particular situation, you HAVE to ride it out because letting top 5 talent just walk out the door should NEVER be the MO or SOP; that's just incredibly unsound judgment and business. And besides, we don't HAVE a long history of keeping dickbags around and on the roster, so we should expect and deserve an opportunity to let the process play out despite what the Mike Florios of the world may think.