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Just curious: if the season is postponed/cancelled how does that work with contracts etc? Does a player on a 3 year deal still have 3 years left or 2?...

I personnally believe it was a good contract.

I trust Fuller to be good.

This.

I mean the dude is posting highlights from his time as a Redskin shutting down Kamara on Twitter. Pretty clear that his phone hasn't been ringing.

Give the dude a fair contract and he's ours. I'd rather have him than Watkins at this point.

He's hit that point where he's a S and not a CB. He played like shit at CB this year...

Yeah, he never amounted to shit in his time in KC, and he only had 1 good season in Washington. I thought Fenton looked better in the slot.

That game sealing INT in the SB was a thing of beauty though. Wish he coulda done more of that in his time here.

They'll ax OTAs and probably training camps.

However, depending on the situation, especially when we hit a "down" point of the curve, you can bet your ass the NFL will do what they can to still have games. They might be played without fans in attendance, but I'm pretty sure we'll have a season of some sort.

Exactly.

He should be worth every bit as much as Fuller. I think more actually. Breeland did a lot more here than Fuller. IMO

Really, that's weird?

He's got the 100-yard fumble return @ DET, INT and game-winning deflection @ NE, INT and a few other splash plays made in the Super Bowl he could have used. I won't say I was ever a big fan of his but he had a great year.

When the defense really started to gel, I didn't notice all these so-called bad plays of Breeland.

What, the occasional ticky-tack defensive pass interference got called on him? MOST OVERRATED PLAYER EVER!

I know it's all relative to a player's salary. If Breeland wanted Byron Jones money in his negotiations with the Chiefs and fans said, "Give him what he wants!" then yes, I would absolutely call that overrated. If he wanted top 10 CB money, I'd call that overrated. If he's asking for a mid to lower-end starter's salary? I think that's fair. And if the Chiefs have the cash, they should consider that deal.

I think just as you might perceive Chiefs fans looking past what makes Breeland not a top CB, I think you're also focusing way too heavily on just the handful of ****ups that Breeland had earlier in the season and putting him in Steven Nelson territory.

He's an outside CB who has demonstrated he can get the job done, especially at the highest level of competition. The Chiefs are in a money crunch, and I'm fine with letting him walk, but that doesn't make him overrated.

I know I over exaggerated the weakness at cornerback last year, but I don't see how it really isn't an issue this year. We pretty much have Ward and Fenton and nothing else. I'm not even the biggest fan of Breeland but I like how he played by the end of the year. We need some more continuity and veteran depth there. Without Breeland we are almost pigeonholing ourselves into having to take a corner in the first which is never a good thing. If we had more draft picks we could have the luxury of trading up if necessary, but that's not the case. What happens when there's a run on cornerbacks in the late first before we pick? Do we take an interior player instead of a better talent at LB, OL, or even RB?

Agree 100%. Dumbass penalty after dumbass penalty. He is a physical corner that can hold his own on the perimiter though. If we resign him at a reasonable price I'm all for it. Not even close to a better player than Watkins however.

I don't recall him being disproportionately penalized. Maybe you're thinking of Nelson.

Speaking of Nelson, **** YOU BITCH WE GOT A SB WITH OUT YOUR HATIN' ASS.

IMO, Breeland @ $8 million >> Watkins @ $21 million. Get Watkins down to $12 million and we can have both.

And **** you too, Orlando Scandrick.

And **** you too Dee Ford!! Must’ve been delicious tears seeing the Chiefs win the Super Bowl while you’re ass is on the wrong side

I dont have any statistics to back it up and I know corners are out there on an island but I feel like he had so many drive extending holding and pass interference calls. Prime example AFC Chapionship game vs. the Titans when he held on what was it 3rd and 25? Just an absolutely horrid play. Zero excuses for that.

To be fair he was 4 and half inches on the Chiefs side, so he probably got to celebrate a little too.

We went from guys like Terrance Mitchell and Steven Nelson who never met a receiver they didn't like to mug.

People talk about Breeland like he's replacement-level. He's a good corner. He's even better when surrounded by other good players in the secondary who all know their jobs, too.

I guess I just remember consistency better than other people, which is why Sammy Watkins' overpaid ass is getting so much love from Chiefs fans this offseason.

I'm with you. What stood out most to be about Breeland was that he was consistent in doing what the scheme dictated. He's not a pure cover guy you just trot out and then forget about an entire receiver with, but he was really assignment sound within the scheme.

Phillip Dorsett to the Seahawks

Robby Anderson to the Panthers.

The Jets have to go WR at 11 now. Hopefully they **** the Raiders.

Also, Anderson didn’t get dick. 2 years 20 million. Sammy better wise up and take whatever offer is on the table.

I would make him a final offer and if he doesn’t take it....cut him.

Wow. No shit.

Congrats Robby from going from one shit team to another! Well maybe Bridgewater and CMC is better than the Jets and Mono boy

Robby Anderson would have been a good fit here so they better have something done with Watkins or that will suck.

This could possibly have been the hold up in negotiations with Watkins. Waiting to see the market.

Maybe we hear something in the next 24 hours.

That offense, outside of the TE position, is pretty damn good. CMC, Moore, Anderson and Samuel.

Without knowing what the Chiefs have offered Watkins in terms of an extension, one would think Sammy might be more inclined to stick around seeing what Anderson just got. The FA market is not exactly on fire for receivers.

Jerry Jones looking the fool right now.

Sammy you will probably make 10-11 mil a year with the Chiefs. You take that deal!!

That’s because this draft is probably the deepest draft ever in terms of Wide Reciever talent

I’d rather have Anderson over Watkins. I certainly hope the Chiefs don’t pay him that kinda money.

Maybe 2 years/18 million.

That’s why I wouldn’t sign Watkins.

I sure hope so.

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Would have been a nice signing depending on the money.

Me either but it does take 2 or 3 years for them to really produce.

Why are hanging on to Watkins so hard? He was great in playoffs but we already gave him plenty. He can be replaced for much less.

Because Veach has someone he feels has value to our team or someone else’s. It seems he feels that either

A) he can sign him to a fair deal

Or

B) he can get a pick for him

Packers sign Devin Funchess

Breshad Perriman to NYJ

Obviously Andy and Veach believe that Sammy is an important piece for the offense. I'd guess they know more than the average keyboard warrior fan. Except me, of course, since I've always been aware of just how important Sammy is to the offense.

1 year 8 mil for Perriman. Watkins would be best suited to sign an extension

I certainly see the value in keeping Sammy. When all of our horses are healthy, it’s damn hard to keep them from scoring 35-40 points a game.

People like to throw out names like Perriman and Robby Anderson as if it would be no drop off — it would though, make no mistake. Yeah those guys are fast, but they wouldn’t be able to do nearly as well as Watkins when it comes to getting off of press coverage, running routes, and creating YAC.

Keep Patrick healthy, bring Watkins back, and you may see another 40-50 TD season from Pat.

Well said but you either are getting better on this league or getting worse. We need defense more than Watkins.

Watkins IS NOT worth $21 million. If he doesn’t lower his cap hit than he needs to be gone.

He isn't worth 10. 6 tops.

His market value is 10.9 mil

Well even if we cut him we are paying him 7.

He's an idiot if he doesn't want an extension. This team paid him the $$$ he wanted, but he has to look long term here, he can stay in a great situation and compete for championships if he's willing to pay for 8-10M a year.

It should be a no brainer

He didn’t have any touchdowns or even games with 65 yards receiving after the opener till the playoffs started.

You overrate him.

If he is worth starter money, it’s on the lower end.

Think about that....the best QB in history throwing him the ball and he didn’t have 65 yards or a single touchdown in 15 or 16 games due to motivation issues and health.

Not $21m, no.

But $10-12m? I think so.

I’m a buyer at 10-12m.

He’s not worth more than that.

There aren’t many 3rd receivers putting up monster numbers. That’s what he is in this offense. They can’t all tear it up. His value is most there in the fact that no defense can account for all of our weapons at once.

Mahomes lack of health really hurt things too. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Watkins was at his best before Pat got hurt and then after he was really 100% again.

In 2 seasons with the best QB in history, Sammy has a total of

1192 yards
6tds

And made 27m

A lot of games, you don’t need Watkins to make a ton of catches to win. And I think that’s what Veach meant when he said that he was signed to get them over the hump in the playoffs.

When you get in those tight games against the best teams and they find a way to mitigate Hill or Kelce, Sammy was the guy who picked up the slack when it was needed most.

$10-12m is worth it to me all day long.

Hes a 3 option, may get bumped to 4 with Hardmon developing.

Where did you get this? Was there a video of him saying he wasn't motivated for a period of games that I somehow missed? If so, can you provide the link please? Ot any evidence at all from his teammates/coaches that speak to this idea? Links please?

Take note Sammy:

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Jones is an idiot. 20 mil per year for Cooper? ****ing nodoby Amari Cooper? Seriously the worst contract ever given to a WR.

Yeah. That's a terrible contract.

His base salary is $14 million. 14 divided on a 4 year extension is 3.5 a year. 14 divided on a 3 year extension is 4.7 a year. Plus a base salary. Gonna be more than 10 a year at least this year.

Interesting that people seem to forget that or just discount it. Mahomes wasn't just out for 2.75 games. He initially sprained his ankle in Week 1 and wasn't right for 12 straight weeks. You could easily make an argument that Pat wasn't 100% himself until the playoffs.

Dinging Sammy for his QB's sketchy health is dumb and short-sighted.

Tyreek missed a chunk of games, he still didn't do much as the #2 receiver.

Like Pugs said, he got overpaid to get us over the hump in the playoffs and that’s exactly what he did. Even in 2018, he played his best football in the playoffs. If you can get him back at a more reasonable price, you do it.

I love how Chris Jones bats down a couple balls late in the 4th quarter and the narrative is hes the player of the game and there is no way we win the SB without him. Meanwhile, Sammy goes 5 receptions for 98 yards and runs an absolute fricken beauty of a route burning one of the best corners of his era in Richard Sherman to set up the go ahead touchdown and the narrative on Sammy is hes dog crap and not worth the money. I just dont understand it. Restructure him for $10-12 million a year and let's keep this freight train rolling!

I think most people are fine with restructuring Sammy to $10-$12 mil. per year.

The hangup, of course, may be ‘is Sammy’ (and his agent) ??

Speaking of Tyreek, I don’t think he ever left Miami. Dude is living his best life rn on the water and yachts and girls twerking. He’s scared of the water tho I didn’t know that

Because we don’t know what he wants money wise.

That's because after week 2 Andy didn't use him as the WR2 primarily. He kept Sammy in to block DEs and LBs, he had him run decoy routes, rubs, etc. He had games where he was hardly targeted because the OL was playing so badly in pass pro and in the running game that they needed to use his size, strength and football intelligence to get other guys open. When I re-watched the games from week 2 through 9 this became apparent.

Shouldn't really matter should it? No clue why they're letting it drag on. Tell what you'll pay him tomorrow, cut him by the end of the week if he won't take it.

My problem with that is he's now averaged roughly 600 yards a year for three years now. It's not just 2019, he's been average for a while. Again, I'd still be fine with giving him $12 million. But no more than that, he's not worth it.

He’s not guaranteed that 14m. The 7m left is the prorated signing bonus.

Any new deal would be at a reduced rate and that 14m is irrelevant.
5 playoff games W/KC
464 yards
1 TD

So Andy took his $21 million dollar WR, who while Tyreek was injured, left him into block the whole time and run decoy routes? Bullshit

My bad! I thought it was guaranteed. Knew it wasn't too! Lol!

Not just those two things. And just watch him when he's in from week 3 to week 10. See the difference in routes where he's targeted and those he isn't. Many of those times you see Sammy getting off the line and running his stem differently than the one he just ran. And see who gets open or how the defense reacts to Sammy when he's in motion. It becomes rather obvious after a couple games. It even makes a certain kind of Andy Reid sense.

From week 2 to 7, the whole left side of the OL was ****ed, right? Pat couldn't depend on the left side to either hold up in pass pro or maintain decent run blocking. So not only was Pat getting pressured from the left side, but he had a short clock. One way of lengthening that clock while also taking the best CB out of the play was to have Sammy lined up on the left side of the line pretty close to the tackle. Now with Sammy chipping or double teaming or whatever not only is he giving Pat more time, but he's taken the other team's CB1 out of the play.

There's also plenty of plays where Sammy lines up right next to Kelce. So obvious rub route, right? But watch how the play is designed; how the play gets Kelce open. Because again, if you watch closely you can tell from the beginning that Sammy was never the option; Kelce was always the target in the play. Sammy just rubs Kelce's defender enough to get Kelce open, and then Sammy blocks so that Kelce can get some YAC. And ask yourself: how many times during the season was Sammy called for OPI running the same exact rub routes that used to get called against us all the time two seasons ago?

Look, don't take my word for it. Simply watch Sammy play and see how the defense reacts to him. Then look at the play design, the result of the play, and then decide.

Veach just has Breeland to go and he has our core players retained. Nice!!

Agreed!! Come on Veach you can do it!! Add Breeland and you get an A+ in FA

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It'd be nice if we could get something done with our cap because there are a few guys out there that would help a ton...

Nigel Bradham and Xavier Rhodes would be great fits here.