Diggs is the other guy I had in mind when I said that. I just have concerns about Diggs in man coverage. It didn’t help not getting to see him test.

Those concerns don’t exist with Noah.

But from the sounds of it the NFL loves Diggs length and he could be a surprise (somewhat) 1st rounder. Actually, there are people that say the same thing about Noah too though.

CB’s 3-8 are all VERY close.

Diggs is a stiffer Carlton Davis and less physical. And who knows if he will be a malcontent like his brother. Pass.

I do like Noah’s potential, but would only like the Chiefs to select him if he drops to the number 63 pick.

I don't know. Igbinoghene is pretty short and I don't think his actual playing weight matches what we saw at check in because he looks pretty thin. Think that's why his 40 time isn't what people were expecting it to be.

He's going to get trucked for awhile trying to play physical with NFL Wide Receivers.

Take a lap on that bad comparison.

If we are taking a corner high I want Damon Arnette. I would not be surprised if he goes early. Brings us back to what Brett Veach said about these mock drafts..he mentioned he liked seeing KC get good players but sometimes he saw WTF selections!

2nd round I would favor Amik Robertson or Cameron Dantzler.

Diggs is zone only..not twitchy enough. He's better than Jaylon or Gladney but that's just getting on base. Prefer to hit a double or triple.

Gladney will get outmuscled-pushed around by bigger players.

Jaylon will get smoked by most receivers..he could probably do alright against bigger possession WR's..but that's the NFL of 15 years ago.

Read a god damned scouting report.

Diggs is not a good tackler. He’s good in press and re-routing in a zone scheme but at best is a drag tackler and he doesn't create turnovers.

Noah is 5’11 and 200lbs. He’s hardly small.

Watch some actual game, dip shit.

That dude is not playing at 200 pounds and Diggs is a press corner when his game is refined.

Child, please.

I watch a lot of football. Played, and have coached high school for over 20 years and successfully at that. All these corners outside of Henderson and Okudah are being overhyped. They each have strengths and weaknesses, and I identified Diggs’ weaknesses as corroborated by many in the scouting community. You can like him, but it’s well known he has his limitations. And regarding Noah, a player’s weight isn’t the be-all and end-all in their ability to play press.

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You can play at the university of shit **** mcgee for all I care but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that dude looked thin on the field and NFL receivers that will have up to around 40 pounds of an advantage on him are gonna eat it up.

It's not really an argument for Diggs as much as an argument for not Noah.

I was re-watching the 2017 draft last night on ESPN and a couple things stood out - 1) how stupid the 49ers, Jags and Bengals were. The talking heads kept alluding to the fact that those squads needed quarterbacks and all 3 of them went a different direction. Hard to believe it was only 2 years ago but I just cannot see teams as quarterback needy as those squads were passing on a QB of any stripe these days. I guess we'll see w/ what Miami does.

But what I found most interesting was watching Arizona around pick 11. EVERYONE knew Arizona was taking Watson if he fell to 13. But at 12, the Browns clearly didn't care much about the available guys on the board and hadn't talked themselves into Watson. So what they wanted wasn't to move down 1 spot for a 3rd round pick - they wanted that future 1st from someone.

Well Arizona couldn't justify giving up a future 1st rounder to move up a single spot, right? And a future 1st round was what Cleveland was going to want to move out of that spot, even if it meant moving further down in the 1st. So a team like Houston was actually in an easier spot in some ways. Because if Cleveland takes a 3rd to move down to 13 from 12, they realize Watson is gone at that point and their ability to get that extra 1st rounder vanishes because nobody's gonna go ham to move up to 13 and grab Allen or whoever else was left.

In some ways, a big move is easier to make. Walk it all the way back to the 10 spot and assume Buffalo hadn't already reached an agreement in principal with Dorsey. The Cardinals still aren't going to give up an additional 1st to move up from 13 to 10 but both KC and Houston are right in the sweet spot to push themselves into that range and the return for a rebuilding Buffalo/Cleveland squad is going to be strong enough w/ that future 1st that they'll be eager to take it.

It's something you're able to recognize more in hindsight because you know how things worked out. You can actually sit there and say "man...why didn't Arizona move up to get their guy?" and you realize that in some ways, their hands were tied. Oh sure, they could've given up a future 1st and 13 to move up to 10...but that's a ridiculous expectation given what we knew at the time.

A lot of things had to go exactly right for the Mahomes thing to happen (or Watson to Houston), including the fact that both KC and Houston were good enough those seasons that their 2017 1st rounder was far enough back to justify them giving up the 1st in the following year that Buffalo and Cleveland wanted as part of any trade-down scenario.

I know Gladney's a little light, but he's a dawg man. He's game and he's willing to be physical, even if a guy like Julio Jones will body him off. When going against players like that, can't Spags just utilize more of a trail technique and allow Gladney's athleticism and length to play to his advantage?

Bottom line is that a guy like Gladney, if he were 20 lbs heavier, doesn't fall to the 20s (he still may not). But I don't think being thinner is something that disqualifies him since he doesn't play tentatively. And hell, there just aren't a lot of big, physical WRs in the league anymore.

Courtland Sutton and Mike Williams are all I see in the AFCW and neither one of them are guys that really concern me as dudes that can overwhelm Gladney physically.

Someone needs to tell me why people are hyping Jalen Hurts....

Especially considering that Mathieu had no problems with either of them.

Good viewpoint and it highlights another thing about NFL teams that bugs the shit out of me:

They all get too fixated on "draft pick value." Get what you can get when you're trading down. Give what you need to give if you REALLY believe in a player - especially a QB - to move up.

Now, obviously, there's a line between being an analytics guy who would never give up "surplus" to what something should cost, and being an idiot like Bill O'Brien. But teams get too stodgy about this shit.

Want to trade down and the best offer you get is less than what the chart says it should be? **** it. Trade down and get what you can get.

Want to trade up for the guy you think is a franchise QB and the cost is a little more than you like (an extra 1st instead of a 2nd, an extra 3rd, etc.)? Suck it up and go get your QB.

Teams cripple themselves with these stupid pick value charts, and it's unnecessary.

It's because they're afraid of being ridiculed on TV especially if the guy they moved for ends up sucking.

Buffalo should have taken the Texans offer. We got lucky that Reid gave Sean McDermott his chance in coaching.

The Texans tried to trade to 10 and had a better offer?

That'd be the first I've heard of it.

From everything I've read, Dorsey did a fantastic job of staying under the radar and ultimately just caught a lot of guys flat-footed. Very few people expected KC to jump up there and get Mahomes.

My understanding was that the Texans didn't get aggressive in their trade efforts until after Mahomes came off the board and suddenly the pool of QBs they liked was cut in half.

I've seen a lot of raving about character and coachability. Combined with above average accuracy and you see some thoughts that he might be a hyper-athletic game-manager.

I feel like I throw Alex Smith comparisons around too frequently at times, but I think the teams that are high on Hurts the potential for a faster version of Smith.

You get that in the late 2nd or 3rd and it's a guy you can win 10-12 games with IF he develops that way.

Not sure I see it, but I think that's the justification for it.

The only time I ever saw a good passer was when Oklahoma schemed him some dudes open by 10 yards.....on the NFL level he's not gonna pass well at all.

Oh, totally. NFL is a copycat, groupthink league.

It's cool whenever you have a leadership group that can take advantage of it and "moneyball" the rest of the people.

And I don't think his anticipation is very good either. That's always masked when you have guys running wide open, but he seems just a tick slow on his delivery and when you don't have the arm strength to power it into a window as it closes, being a tick late is an interception waiting to happen.

I don't actually think he's inaccurate - seems to throw where he wants to far more often than he doesn't. I just think he's limited enough in his anticipation and arm strength that any sort of lapses in accuracy will have inordinately bad outcomes.

But here's the thing - he's a better thrower than Lamar Jackson. And while he's not as good a runner as Lamar (not as naturally elusive), he's pretty damn close. Can you build around that?

Hard to say. I'm just glad I don't have to talk myself into guys like this anymore because in years past, I'd have spent a month convincing myself that he's the perfect mix of Jackson and Alex and if you give him a quality OL and running game, he can win you a Super Bowl.

Man those days sucked.

I'd have to throw the Browns in there with those 3 teams as actually needing a QB, and they passed on Mahomes and Watson. Mahomes once, and Watson twice. Sure, they have a top DE from the #1 spot. But seriously... Mahomes, or Watson for that matter... over a DE and eventually Baker. Browns are gonna Brown.

Sean McDermott owes his career to Andy Reid, as do so many others in the Bills organization.

There's no way they'd choose another offer over their mentor and friend.

Here's the DB from Bob McGinn. It doesn't sound great for Delpit.

Reggie Robinson, though...

Re: Delpit, I did see that he didn't miss a tackle in any of their last 3 games - SEC Title vs. UGA, and the two playoff games.

That's a pretty high level of competition. Lends some credence to the idea his tackling problems were due to an injury and the tackler he was in 2018 and at the end of 2019 is who he really is.

Nate Taylor drafted Reggie Robinson in his latest mock draft.

His full mock draft is:

1. Kenneth Murray, LB, Oklahoma
2. Chase Claypool, WR, Notre Dame
3. Ben Bartch, OT, St. John’s
4. Reggie Robinson, CB, Tulsa
5. Khalil Davis, DT, Nebraska

I like it but would prefer a different offensive playmaker at 63 than Claypool. TE conversions are always iffy...

Love Bartch and Robinson (who i admittedly hadn't heard much about until the write-up today on The Athletic).

I'd like Bartch more if he was one of two options taken on the OL, since he's more of a developmental pick.

If they could pull a trade down to grab an extra 4th so you take a G as well as Bartch, that seems ideal...

Swap out Claypool with the best RB there...

Also I forgot who was high on Dantzler but he doesn't sound great either.


12. CAMERON DANTZLER, Mississippi State (6-2, 188, 4.60, 3): Dantzler is the tallest and slowest prospect among the top 25 corners. “I liked him a lot but he ran terrible,” one scout said. “On tape, really good instincts, short-area quickness, loose athlete, ball skills. Competes for the ball. Good in run support.” A fourth-year junior, Dantzler redshirted in 2016 before starting 22 of 35 games. “Top of the second round before he ran,” another scout said. “He’s gone from there. Probably middle of the third day now. Although wasn’t Richard Sherman a fifth-rounder? With his height, you don’t have to run as fast as some of the others. You still have coverage.” Two other problems: short arms (30 5/8) and 11.4% body fat, the highest among the top 12 corners. He was removed from one team’s draft board because of makeup concerns. “He’s a good player,” said a third scout. “My biggest problem with him is his body type. He’s really skinny so he’ll have durability issues. I’m worried about the body more than anything.” Dantzler is from Hammond, La.




I could crush cans with my penis if this happened

It would not surprise me if a lot of mock drafts are putting CBs way too far down the draft boards. This league is full of unimaginative patriots copycats. Id imagine there will be a run on man press corners even though the strength of the draft is OT and WR.

Dantzlers combine 40 was awful, his supposed proday one was better. I don't buy he's that slow though because he ran with the Bama guys, he actually has far and away the best tape of any CB against Bama and LSU this year, if you buy into tape he's good.

Half of the first round is going to be OT's and CB's, CB's always get drafted high.

I agree completely. RB at 63 if there is comparable or likely better value there would be ideal. I have come around a bit on RB earlier, still preferably not at 32 though. I think Cam Akers at 63 or Zack Moss in the third would be most ideal all things considered if they are available. I expect Moss will be there at 96.

I have been hearing that the sheer number of WR, CB, QB and OL in this draft are pushing the linebackers down. I hope so, because if we get Murray at 32 it would be an A+ scenario.

I was more worried about his body type they keep talking about.

He's thin, but being lanky doesn't mean he can't play, he doesn't have a history of always being hurt and he played in the damn SEC.

Draft Day Tool
 

I was realizing the other day that I've spent so much time dissecting prospects and identifying the Chief's needs but don't really know what other teams are looking for and most importantly...how likely they are to taking the prospects that I've fallen in love with before we have the chance to.

I decided to create a tool that I can use on draft day that will help me understand which teams are a threat to taking my favorite prospects and how likely my favorite prospects will fall to us. I thought it would really enhance the draft day experience and I wanted to share.

I didn't want to spam everyone with a link here but if you're interested, feel free to reach out directly and I'm happy to send it your way!

You sound like you're trying to sell some bullshit draft nonsense to us with that first post ever

Soren Petro just picked Jalen Reeger in the radio draft. God I hope not. 10th best WR?

...IN THE FIRST?

Stop looking at one persons rankings to base your opinion.

Reagor would be a fantastic pick at 32.

Check my thread on the podcast with Terez and Robinson. They mention this as a legitimate possibility.

If that's the case, why would his 40 matter? The tape never lies.

Reagor basically looks like the WR's the Chiefs have been picking recently.

Another WR to add to the "let's learn routes" family.

In reality that isn't the direction I would expect, we would be losing our X guys after this year in Watkins and Robinson, if they take an out of the air WR that stuns people, Shenault makes a ton more sense as he's more in the X mold and also can do some different stuff as a bit of a gadget role guy in year 1.

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They're smoke screening so ****ing hard.

Reid is an offensive genius. If he drafts Reagor we will see some wow, splash plays. But it's going to take work and he's going to have to dedicate time to getting Reagor the ball, scheme him open to use his traits.

That will work but why not just take the guy that gets open?!

I’m so glad I took the next two days off. This is going to be ****ing glorious.

Do we really need this guy?

I think we're at the point now where anyone that runs really fast is linked to the Chiefs.

You know how pissed CP is going to be if the Chiefs move down 2 slots tomorrow for a wet dick trade?

"I SPNT ALL NIGHT FOR NOTHING **** U BURT"

Lol hey I’m all for it.

I’d gladly drop a couple of spots for a 4th.

Serious question has Veach ever traded down

no

pretty small sample size, wouldn't you say?


And as SB champions returning 20/22 starters, perhaps a different situation?

Sure. But maybe even moreso this year. Patriots badly want man press corners. And every unoriginal patriots coach who went somewhere else wants what the Patriots want. I'm not sure a lot of CBs we think will fall to KC will actually be there.

I mean I agree but if I'm a betting man I'd say I'd expect him to trade a future pick to move up rather than move down.

Maybe he trades down for once. But he doesn't seem like a play it safe GM, more like a really good scout who believes he's right about some players more than other scouts or GMs and isn't about securing extra picks but instead goes and gets who he believes in.

If someone he really likes is available in the 20s I could see him going up and getting him. He has a SB winning team but I don't see why that would make him MORE cautious? If anything he can take bigger gambles because if he misses well he still has a SB roster to fall back on.

posters who wiLl definitely say that:

JakeF
Tuckdaddy
Okcchiefs

Mahomoforlife will say i stayed up all night just for us not to trade our pick for fournette?!

Not really. I'd trade down 2-3 spots or even further, even if it's only for a 4th and a 6th. The talent level between 32 and 36-40 is probably negligible and an extra draft pick is valuable.

Now what if they trade down and draft a WR? :evil:

Would be happy as long as they address LB and guard someway somehow

Nah that’s UChieffyBugger my favorite poster

I'd probably be a little peeved, but if we end up getting some good players with our remaining picks I'd probably be okay. If we're going offense early I'd prefer a runningback.

If Veach trades up, it will mean that Chris Jones is gone. The reason you trade up is because you're missing that one guy. For Mahomes, it was obvious.

For the last couple of years, it was trying to get past the Patriots and get the ring. Now is when you trade down, get more picks, and keep the gravy train running while PMII gets his $50M a year.

They're moving Tyreek Hill to running back.

I am hoping for a three down linebacker who ever that is

Lol you can bet on that happening

Screw it, I’ll call my shot... if he’s there, it’s Shenault

Learns the ropes for a season, takes over for Sammy next year... love Aiyuk, but we need some size out there

my apologies , you would say were not trading CJ

We trade down and then draft Dobbins...:)


It's a little late in the game to hype someone but I think he'll end up being the best HB in the draft...

One team has offered the Redskins the "complete deal" for #2.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...1bV?li=BBnb7Kz

Look at this kid.

Watch every snap. Look at the patience behind the line. Watch him get skinny and explode through the hole once he identifies it.

It doesn't look like he's moving that fast, but next thing you know he's bursted for 6-8 yards and a 1st down.

He rarely goes down from a single tackler. There's a clip in here where he trucks Trevon Diggs for another 3-4 yards and pushes his ass past the 1st down marker. That's a 1st round talent CB that he's bulldozing over at his size.

His feet are always moving.

His footwork his short, crisp and concise. He doesn't have any wasted motion there. Look at how he's able to stop, shuffle and turn up field.

Whenever it seems he's been stopped he wiggles forward for several more yards. That's a hallmark NFL back trait.

And his receiving skills of course. He's a freaking natural pass catcher.

This, my friends, IS the best back in this draft class. I know ya'll have seen me write that before, but the more i watch, the more convinced i am.

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At 32 or are you trading down?

How/why do people think Cole Kmet is the best TE in the draft? I just don't see it.

There are plenty of TE prospects in the mid rounds from smaller schools who are a lot smoother as route runners and have better hands. They could find ways to get open in the pros and perhaps even play some of the Y that Kelce does a lot.