Most likely the reason most free agents choose one team over the other. Money.

Damn, 4 "close but no cigars" in Hudson (trade), Williams, Reynolds, and Juju.

Has to be a frustrating FA for Veach. He has said repeatedly that one of our best assets in FA is being able to offer the ability to play for Reid and with Mahomes. I still think that's true, but just a series of bad beats with injuries and a funky cap year causing non-normal approaches to contract wants/needs. Hell, even Tyreek turned down a restructure.

Veach has to be fuming.

So then it becomes....do you offer more money just to get him? Are you okay with overpaying?

I wonder how cutting 2 injured players has possibly changed our perception to FAs or why were losing out on these guys. It’s strange.

We’ve lost three players.

Trent Williams - He wasn’t coming here.
Juju - offered the same as the Steelers plus incentives. He apparently wanted continuity and didn’t think he’d be meeting those incentives.

The only one that doesn’t make sense to me is Reynolds. We don’t know what was offered or what he got though.

At this point and since they're one year contracts, yes. It's one thing to over pay on a multi year deal and have to pay for it years down the road, but for one year deal when you have $20mil in cap space? Why not throw in a little extra to get the guy you want?

Missing out on Reynolds sucks, but if they sign Ingram and Williams on Tuesday then re-sign Reiter and either sign Okung or trade for a LT, this would allow them to spend a high pick on a WR and that’s what I really want more than anything at the position.

We missed out on last years WR class, it would be really nice to get somebody early out of this one.

Bateman or Marshall would be ideal.

Because you still have to sign other guys. And those guys are more than likely on one year deals. Add in another $7-8 million for the draft picks. They can’t just overpay for everyone.

Exactly. They went after their quality guys, now they’re trying to get quantity. Fill as many needs as possible and try to give yourself some flexibility in the draft.

Let's not forget that JuJu also turned down more money from Baltimore. It definitely wasn't just a KC issue.

No! Don’t you get it, in order to push the narrative that the Chiefs failed, we HAVE to assume we could’ve gotten him for a little more!

Ever since the whole Williams thing happened....I think I’ve changed my tune on how this team moves forward.

We need to get younger and add more depth. This team cannot keep being successful if we go into every offseason looking to fill holes with one year deals. We’re paying for past mistakes now (looking at you DEs and WRs). Get a couple of guys in here to help and then draft the starters for in the future.

OT, OC, WR, DE, LB

Does that mean we go 14-2 and coast to the AFC Championship game? Probably not. But it’s better for the long term future of this team. It’s not like Mahomes is gone in 3-4 years. He’s here for 10.

There’s no need to panic guys. Just get the mid level producers like Ingram, Hilton, Williams and bring Reiter back and we’re fine.

The 2nd year guys are going to be what helps this team move forward. Really think you’re gonna see guys like Wharton and Gay be good players next year. That’s on top of Clyde and Sneed. Oh and possibly Niang.

Goddamn Veach just nailed that rookie class. Keep doing that and nothing else matters

He turned down more money than we offered him. They had $10-11 million in base plus incentives. He knew wasn’t doing shit in Baltimore with that QB.

Exactly why I’m not freaking out about anything until AFTER the draft. People have no patience. Let the man cook.

Remember all that talk about how FAs would take less to play here because of the opportunity to play with Mahomes?

Guys I think we may downplay the jealousy/bitterness some of these players around the league may have for Pat?? Remember it's the players who have picked Pat at fourth in the rankings for two years!!..as much as we all thought it would be logical to assume guys would want to be around greatness...sometimes envy can get in the way...just something to ponder moving forward.

That narrative is still true... the Chiefs have lost out on some of their free agent targets this offseason due to unique circumstances in each situation.

Trent Williams received a ridiculous/record breaking contract from the 49ers and he also has strong loyalty to Kyle Shanahan.

Rodney Hudson was traded against his wishes (he wanted to be released) to Arizona.

And JuJu wanted to stay in Pittsburgh and play with Rapelesthiberger for some reason.

You don't have to overpay for everyone. For example, if you paid Juju, you wouldn't then need Reynolds. And it's not even like I'm asking them to give someone $15 mil when they're actually with $7. A mil or 2 would likely make a big difference to someone like Reynolds. Also remember that the cap space we have now is still without the Tyrann extension which we're expecting will come.

We got rid of Sammy and DRob. That's about 120 catches right there. Tell them they have an opportunity to get the majority of those catches and they'll make more money and they might bite.

LMAO.

What a ****ing idiot.

They offered $9mil guaranteed plus incentives. Would you as a wide receiver want to play with Lamar Jackson for just 1 more mil guaranteed? The best season any WR on the Ravens has had since he's been QB is 769 yards LMAO. That's the very best year for a WR there.

He caught 100 balls there, the odds his production would do anything but go down elsewhere..yea. JuJu stayed there because it was a safe thing to do to try again next year.

Guys signing prove it deals want to know they're getting targets, not be in the well you could but you're going to be 3 at best.

For some of these guys it was gonna have to be above market for multiple years to get them here.

While all that is true it makes the Chiefs look like they are striking out in FA.

That and I’m not sure he wanted to play against his former team twice a year. It sounds like he loves Pittsburgh.

Well Reynolds is a moron. To think he's going to have more production in a run first offense than in a pass heavy offense with the best QB in the league is just....STUUUUUPID.

Watch what happens when the sudden wheels fall off a big, heavily used RB and the Titans cant just P/A everyone to death anymore.

Lets see how many targets and receptions he gets then. Idiot.

Peter King said if Hudson was released and not traded, he would be snapping to Mahomes as the Chiefs were ready to pay more than the cardinals did

He has more guaranteed targets there...they lost a starting WR and TE.

He MIGHT get more guaranteed targets there. MIGHT.

I'd take my chances with the team that no matter what, is throwing the ball. And has a Qb that can actually get the ball to you. Whomoever the #2 WR is, he's just a pulled Tyreek Hammy away from getting the bulk of the work, and with a healthy Tyreek, he'd still be seeing a grip of 1v1's.

It's a dumb, short sighted decision no matter how you slice it.

But fuggem, SOMEONE will be getting those targets.

I aint mad. Just laughing at the stupidity.

Yes but the odds of him having as good of a rookie class as next year are...not great.

It’s the law of averages. That’s extremely difficult to accomplish.

Hopefully a really good player and 2 contributors this year. That’s my bar.

It doesn’t have to be quite as good as last years.

But I don’t agree that he can’t do something similar. We have 7 picks in the first 5 rounds. Not to mention this is a unique draft where a great scouting department can really shine.

Expecting a rookie WR to come in and start is alot for this offense.

That might play in too, no one is going to want to learn an overly complicated playbook in a 1 year prove it deal.

Who said they have to start day 1?

We’ll be fine early on. The hope is that they can be ready to contribute down the stretch.

Tyreek and Hardman both had 500+ yards and contributed their rookie seasons. Both were raw as shit and still learning the position more or less the offense.

It’s the law of averages.

Veach’s first draft-awful
Veach’s second draft-solid
Veach’s third draft-excellent. potentially outstanding

I think you’ll see something similar to his second draft. Again, it is REALLY hard to do what he did last Spring

Regardless of your thoughts on FA, alot of close calls with us not being chosen, kinda worrisome that Patrick isn't the draw that we were all hoping he would be.

This is silly. Last years draft, more or less the 2 before it, have no impact on the quality of this one.

I understand the point you’re trying to make, but it doesn’t actually mean anything. Like at all.

Not to mention we didn’t even have a 1st round pick those first 2 years versus having 1 this year along with 7 picks in the first 5 rounds.

We have plenty of lottery tickets in a draft where a strong scouting department should really shine. I’m not just going to assume the best they can do is solid because of “law of averages”.

Money is always going to be the top draw, but usually it's guys looking for their 1 big deal. This year we got a few guys getting paid and everyone else deciding they'd rather try again next year.

He still is the draw. Just a lot of short sighted dummies this year.

4321

The law of averages says we aren’t going to find the players they did at the frequency they did last year.

They got 2 legit top 10 players at their position in the top 4 rds, an excellent rotational player, an outstanding undrafted player who was tops for his position among rookies and 2 other guys with potential to be solid players.

That shit is hard. There’s going to be a Khalen Saunders or Dorian O’Daniels in there.

Matching last years draft is not something people should expect. That draft could be the best rookie class we’ve had in my life as a fan.

People like to lie to themselves and act like money isn't the biggest motivator to people in general, not just football players. Unless you're at the end of your career, playing with a particular QB or team isn't necessarily the most important thing to you.

1. Nobody is expecting to duplicate what we did last year. That doesn’t mean we can’t have a great draft.

2. There’s a big difference between last year and 2019, more or less 2018. It’s entirely possible that this will be Veach’s 2nd best draft. Especially when you consider all of the picks he has to work with in comparison to those first 2.

3. The “law of averages” doesn’t have any real impact on the quality of our draft. Our scouting department and Veach’s decision making will.

4. You were the one that started all of this off by saying “Goddamn Veach just nailed that rookie class. Keep doing that and nothing else matters” LMAO

I think you're massively over valuing last year's draft.

I'd easily take the 2008 draft, even with Dorsey being a relative bust at the top. Branden Albert, Jamaal Charles, Brandon Flowers, and Brandon Carr is hard to beat IMO.

how many new coaches, with new systems and new player profiles they're looking for with new front offices trying to hit the ground running are there?

I think you can put them at an immediate disadvantage with no real combine and a weird pseudo 2020 season.

Teams with intact front offices and scouting departments let alone offensive and defensive systems are going to be a big advantage this year.

also-I think Khalen Saunders will be fine. I think he was caught in a numbers game and Tershawn was such a pleasant surprise that he was odd man out in what was probably the deepest position group on the team.

I'm absolutely expecting to have an excellent draft.

Everything is in place for it, other than picking #31 in each round.

I expect our continuity and quality scouting to pay real dividends.

LMAO

I agree, with the assumption that we're able to add guys like Okung, Ingram, Williams (CB), and Hilton. Do that and we have enough depth/competition at key positions that we don't have to reach for just about anyone. There are obviously certain positional needs that need to be addressed sooner than later, but getting Okung for example means being able to get a tackle in R2 or R3 instead of currently where it's almost an absolute must to trade up for one.

I think we can have a good draft too but last years rookie class was excellent and could be (I think it will be) amazing if Gay and Niang are what we think they are.

It could truly be a transformative draft

Do you know the difference between “expecting” and saying something is possible.

Do you know what the word “similar” means as well? I literally said right before that that it doesn’t have to be “quite as good” as last years to be a great draft.

Good ****ing god you’ve been a ****ing moron lately.

ROFL

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What are you doing, Chris?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but we aren’t finding a legit top 10 player with all-pro potential and an excellent rotational player on day 3 as well as an undrafted player who starts immediately and puts up similar stats as the drafts best ****ing player.

That isn’t going to happen every year. There isn’t going to be anything “similar” to that.

RunKC vs Staylor

An underrated rivalry.

You’re truly a ****ing idiot.

Nobody is saying that we will have a draft like last years.

That doesn’t mean that we can’t have another great draft. There’s no rule saying it’s impossible to have 2 greats drafts in a row.

Texans are trying to set the record on 1 year deals in an off-season

Trying to stay in the NFL.

Correct

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Well if he leaves with no replacement lined up then yes we are in trouble

We currently only have 3 WRs signed to the roster. Pringle Hill and Hardman

Wilson’s replacement

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Missouri LB Nick Bolton, a projected first- or second-round draft pick, says he&#39;s talked to the Chiefs during the predraft process. <br><br>Bolton had a huge smile on his face while responding. Missouri just wrapped up their Pro Day workout today.</p>&mdash; Herbie Teope (@HerbieTeope) <a href="https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope/status/1374063058327384069?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah, if he plays his 3 games next season in Baltimore instead of KC, we're ****ed.

Not interested in spending a 1st to do that.

Might have to draft 2 WRs. Ty Hilton is the only one left out there. Watch us bring back DRob now.

There’s no rivalry. That’s my buddy, but he can be a real idiot sometimes.

I think Pringle will be our #2 WR. I don’t trust Hardman that he can improve this offseason. He’s a deep threat only

No to players from MU, especially LBs who have tackling listed under "weaknesses".

Pringle had opportunities and did nothing

Did nothing? He made the most of his opportunities

where's Alligator arms Albert Wilson been? Wasn't he an early cap casualty?

I'd take 1yr fliers on TY, Willie Snead, Golden Tate and draft 1-2 guys

I wouldn’t agree with that, but carry on.

Yeah, he's just not good enough to get more opportunities.

JAG.

He plays really hard, but he isn´t a 3down LB because he can´t cover...

Taco is back!

??

Wasn't he back a week ago? There were jokes last Tuesday when he was signed about Taco Tuesday.

Where the **** have you been?

Apparently you missed Taco Tuesday!

#Chiefs are closing in on finalizing a one-year deal to bring back S Daniel Sorensen, source says.

Sorry been masterbating like crazy lately.

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