We might end up getting Hardman for another year due to his injury status.

Chiefs need to be in the hunt for a #1WR in the draft to pair with JuJu

I think so, too.

Let’s hope Hardman gets a bigger deal than we think so it pushes the comp pick up.

Would be killer to have 2 extra thirds next year for Hardman and Bienemy.

If Veach goes and gets a true #1 wr after re-signing Juju…and trading for Toney…and drafting Skyy Moore…I’m not sure how you defend that.

Where is JuJu in regard to his various bonuses? IIRC, he's about to make some cak'n, pahtna.

Unfortunately that seems like a luxury with the needs at OT and DE.

If I had a 10” dick I’m not sure how every woman in the world doesn’t throw their clothes off for me

Our #1 is Kelce. I'm cool with a bunch of 2's until he declines.

I do believe with issues like DE and OT that we need to invest money there. I'm fine letting Mahomes skill help us save money at the WR position. We do need to draft one to try to fit that #1 skill set we are missing.

Lolz no it’s not.

I'm convinced he just says shit to troll nowadays.

Please God, hear my prayer, and don't let Andy and Veach listen to this schlock about not needing a WR1, so KC doesn't go down the road to being GB West for the next ten years. Give us a true WR1 so KC can win at least 3 more rings before the end of the decade. Thanks.

If we're paying top of the market, then we won't be winning 3 rings with huge, gaping holes at OT and DE.

We're the ****ing #1 offense in football as it stands. Better play up front > #1 WR.

No, we don't have time to run WASP.

The reason you invest in WR at some point is because Travis Kelce will not do what he's doing much longer.

Keep drafting them. **** paying these prices for the position

That's the most cost-effective option. Problem is getting lucky and drafting one.

But take the D. Hopkins example. Let's say he could be had for around $20M/yr. About 5M less than what Tyreek wanted, iirc. He would instantly change how defenses could play KC. Thre would be little to no option for boxing Kelce on every passing snap and rolling the dice singling every other receiver. DHop would have to be accounted for most of the time with some kind of double/bracket or whatever.

And yeah, most of the time it doesn't seem necessary when KC is again the no. 1 offense this season, but we're kind of forgetting just how many times really good defenses stalled this offense, and those are the defenses we'll be playing in the postseason more often than not. Having a true WR1 would tilt that dynamic in our favor again and make it basically impossible for teams to simply man press our receivers; they'd have to do something about it.

And it should be doable, if a top-tier WR is available, considering that Veach was perfectly willing to pay Tyreek $25M, and sign OBJ, extend CJ and so on.

Obviously, none of this works if said receiver wanted top-3 money, but top-10 money might be doable, is all I'm saying.

20 million per year for DHop, who is over 30 with a huge injury history and can't ever seem to stay on the field any more. Nah.

That's not even considering if he gets popped again how much time that would take away from being on the field. Nah.

The love Toney gets on this forum is heartwarming

If we paid for Hopkins, we'd have...

the slightly more oneish offense than the number one offense we have?

I mean, is that really the best allocation of resources?

No. That's stupid.

Whenever Mahomes and the offense don't have their heads up their asses, they move the ball and score at will. There is no problem other than the times when they just sort of lose focus and screw up.

Now, defensively? Huge hole at DE. Not in position to typically draft one. That's an expensive position to fill in free agency.

Offensive tackle? Well, it would be nice to keep Mahomes upright, and it would be nice to be able to run the ball more effectively. Not typically in position to draft a LT, but probably to draft a RT.

Got a Juju situation to figure out. Got a LT situation. and a RT situation. And a DE situation. Who we paying, who's walking?

And you guys want to pay top of the market for a WR?

No, man.

Draft and develop.

Hill had 11.2 ypc last year. Have you forgotten?

What's Juju's average this year? 11.9

He's literally MORE PRODUCTIVE per catch than Hill was last year.

How about we fill the gaping holes and quit worrying about Deandre Hopkins?

Everything I'm seeing from the TE depth is extremely promising. It's tough to shine any better when your 2nd on the depth chart to a generational all time great.

If the injury concerns are lessened, Toney can be a weapon on par with what we see from a top 10 WR in this league. He absolutely has those traits.

You know what I was also thinking?

How long until we get Jameson Williams from Detroit for a similar deal as Toney?

He can’t be thrilled being healthy and being used as a gunner on ST snd getting little to no action as a WR.

It’s only a matter of time till they ruin him and he wants out.

Yep thats where I'm at... we're already #1 with what we have

And yes, by all means keep drafting receivers and we will find a true #1 soon enough

A huge reason why Philly is so good is that they are stout on both lines. Zero doubts that if Mahomes had both he would be undefeated, and he wouldn’t have needed Smith and AJ Brown.

Three most important positions on the field.

1. The QB (who we have the best).

2. The guy who protects the QB’s blindside (ours is questionable).

3. The guy who pressures the QB (which KC struggles with).

An elite WR would be amazing, but it’s an unnecessary luxury if you haven’t adequately addressed #2 and #3. Mahomes has shown this year he can still thrive with lesser skill players around him. He will continue to do so if he stays upright and isn’t in a shootout every week because the defense can’t get stops due to lack of pressure.

Well, I did say use DHop as an example, not as the sole solution.

However, if we acquired DHop (or someone very similar), then we don't need MVS, Hardman, and probably even JJSS. That's probably well more than $30M off the books ($40M?), and DHop would cost maybe $20M?

And I'm not considering yds/cth. I'm considering 1v1 matchups in the playoffs against the best DBs the league has to offer. That's the issue a WR like DHop can solve, that none of those other WRs can.

Pivot: DHop doesn't have an injury history. he's missed 14 games in his entire career, 6 of those this year due to a suspension, one because HOU decided to rest him before the playoffs. He's missed just 8 games due to injury in his ten year career.

One issue Mahomes had last year was his dependence on Hill. Bring in Hopkins and you risk that again. Give me solid if not unspectacular WRs vs one elite one and a bunch of scrubs any day (not counting Kelce in this at all). Mahomes is a better QB because of this year then any year prior.

Dude, if we take all of those other players off the table, we have the 2021 Chiefs offense again, which as you'll remember, was not as good as this one.

This one hums because the ball can go anywhere. You take every other credible threat off the table besides a #1 WR and Kelce, and we're right back to where we started.

I don't know why, even with nearly a full season's worth of evidence you can't see that THIS IS BETTER.

The only thing that ever stops this offense is dropped passes and just poor execution.

No, no, no, no. Stars and scrubs won us ONE SB, and cost us another.

Mahomes plus best 52 gives us a shot every year for a decade or more.

And in the play-offs, if they want to just 'man up' on our WRs, we'll eat them alive with Mckinnon in the flat for eleventy billion yards and a bunch of TD's, which was Andy's calling card when Philly was rolling.

We're good, man. Just keep filling holes every offseason and enjoy the ride. WR1 is not a hole.

Okay, guys, again, it doesn't have to be DHop; it was merely an example.

And, I get it. But i think we're also forgetting just how many times Mahomes has had to manufacture minor miracles this year, several times while in the grasp of some defender, just to convert a 1st down or whatever, because our cadre of "JAG" or scrub receivers (less than top-echelon) couldn't get open early. Is it rational to keep expecting that to work every time? Wouldn't it be easier to have another top-tier option besides Kelce, like when we had Hill and Watkins?

I mean, we've seen how the formula of having a bunch of middling receivers works out in the playoffs with Aaron Rodgers and GB all those years. Good enough to keep getting into the playoffs, but not good enough to execute against the best defenses.

Personally, if it's workable, I want Pat to always have the best WR talent available, so he only has to come up with miracles a couple times in the playoffs, not several times in every game, because that's just not sustainable.

What is the definition you all are using gor a #1 WR? There can be a huge discrepancy in that definition. There are not 32 true #1 WR in the league. Seems most are wanting a top 5 to 10 WR. That is going to be costly when we need a LT and DE more than a #1 WR for starters.

Something like top 15. Just guessing, as I haven't bothered to look this season at a ranked list of the top WRs.

Sure, I see those things and I think:
1)Jesus Wylie sucks
2)Brown wants how much money!?
3)Dude, Mckinnon's open right there!
4)Why the **** did we drop so many passes? This shouldn't even be necessary.
5)If our defense was better, it wouldn't be.

Green Bay's problem was that they often drafted poorly, and flat refused to get involved in free agency. That's a bad mix. And yet, Rodgers still had them in contention late into the play-offs. That's only a warning example if we draft like shit and completely ignore gaping holes, which I don't think Veach will. If anything, he's shown himself to be OVER aggressive at filling holes.

I would rather sign Juju at 15-18m than Hopkins. Juju already knows this offense and has played well.
Hopkins is older, coming off an injury, and doesn't know this offense at all. Who knows if that's a good fit?

Pay the guy we know. Juju is 1b here, Kelce is 1a. That's totally fine. fill in speed guys and develop Toney, Moore and possibly Ross plus draft a guy every year and roll on.

Dang it, Chris, it doesn't have to be DHop!:)

doesn't matter, I'm not for spending that cap space on ANY OF THEM.

Nope. NOPE. cue Danny Devito meme.

We're going to have to pay an EDGE. That's expensive.

We're going to have to pay a LT, one way or the other, and that's expensive.

We simply cannot afford to overlook those spots in favor of what would amount to a slight upgrade at WR. It's simply not a good allocation of resources.

We're going to have to develop our future there, much like we have done at CB this offseason. (the other really expensive position.)

It'd be different if we didn't have these real weaknesses at DE, both OT spots. I'd re-sign Juju if he's reasonable with his demands, but other than that, NOPE. And I'd probably go ahead and let MVS go, save that $10m to pay Juju. I think we can find a speed guy with suspect hands for less.

I see your point but the problem is that Mahomes has to manufacture miracles not because receivers can’t get open, but because we have two of the worst starting tackles in the league. Elite WRs are a luxury no doubt but players like Hopkins (just had to insert that) are more necessary on teams with young developing QBs or middling QBs. Elite WRs are expensive and even more so after this last offseason. They are a luxury teams with elite QBs can’t afford without sacrificing other areas. Plus if your elite WR goes down to injuries you are in an even worse spot as the others around him are JAGs at best. I would still rather have a bunch of #2 WRs than a dominant #1 and a bunch of #3 or #4 WRs. Also QBs tend to focus a lot more on their #1 WR and sometimes to their detriment. Mahomes is guilty of that as well. Having no true #1 WR has forced him to be a better QB and not just “F-it Tyreek down there somewhere” QB.

Rodgers also had Adams and still struggled in the playoffs. That’s as much on Rodgers as anything else. Having a true #1 WR did not change that. I am no fan of Brady and do not think he is the GOAT, but I will say that for most of his career he did not have true #1 WRs in NE (Moss being the only one that comes to mind) yet his teams were still dominating because they had elite defenses and his OLine kept him upright. Mahomes can and will thrive with lesser WRs if he is not under pressure all the time. I think a true elite #1 WR with a true franchise QB is not sustainable in this salary cap era.

This is it right there. That's the whole deal. The only way we're going to have an elite WR in the near future is if we draft and develop one. Period. And we'll have him until it's time to pay him, and then we'll let someone else do that.

And that's fine, as long as we protect Mahomes, and beef up our pass rush.

By point:

It's actually been a mixture of both. Guys weren't getting open early, and we have two of the worst OTs in football doing their best imitations of a turnstile. But if you have one top-tier (not necessarily elite) WR1, he probably gets open before our less-than-top-tier Ts pants themselves, and Mahomes can make a relatively easy throw, instead of running around trying to make something out of nothing while some guy is draped around his neck. just saying.

We'd still have Skyy and Toney, and one of these guys is going to show out next season, maybe both. Whatever; they're both far better than the troupe of JAGs we had last season. Add in maybe J. Watson, maaaybe Ross? Plus whichever WR we draft . . . still better backups than what we had in 2021.

Brady's 1 and 2 were actually Gronk and Edelman. Or Welker before Edelman. Though NE was really unstoppable for a hot minute when they had both Gronk and Aaron Hernandez shredding defenses in the middle. But that's just trivia. Ftr, I can see either Skyy or Toney taking up the Edelman/Welker role for the Chiefs next season and beyond.

And what is it going to cost to have both MVS and JJSS next season? JJSS is probably going to be more expensive than MVS, so say $15-$18M? Plus MVS' $10M? So $25M-$28M/yr? How is it we can't afford to trade/cut/whatever those guys and bring in a guy that costs $20M/yr that does both their jobs better than they can? Well, probably not the absolute speed part, but everything else.

Yeah, I get that we have to fill some big holes on the team. But what's it going to cost to keep both MVS and JJSS? What if we could get DHop (since we keep bringing him up) for $20M/yr? That'd be cheaper, right? And we'd get better value at the position, except in terms of raw speed. But otherwise we'd get great-to-elite route running, catch radius, hands, situational awareness, etc. and pay $5M-$10M less per year (maybe).

Is that not a viable option?

Good discussion and I will see if I can address these points as well.

To your first point, we had two last year, Tyreek and Kelce and had a bad stretch because of an over dependence on those two who teams took away. Once that happened our JAGs or less than JAGs couldn’t overcome that. This offense is harder to stop this year because Mahomes can make them pay by hitting someone else. Imagine how much more deadly he would be if our Ts were better?

We do have Skyy and Toney and both have a ton of potential, but Skyy isn’t playing a whole lot right now and him running the wrong routes has caused multiple INTs this year. He should grow out of that, but until he does we can’t bank on him. Toney seems to be injured quite a bit in two years. Perhaps it’s flukey and he will overcome that as well. Or he could be a cheaper Watkins for us.

Since we are discussing #1 WRs I am purposely not including Gronk or Kelce in these discussions. As such the would make Edelman their #1 WR and he is definitely not one. Welker was a good slot WR, but not a true #1 so Brady really only had Moss that I can think of.

I get the cost, but I would rather have JJSS and MVS than neither and a shiny new expensive #1 as it’s harder to shut down both of them along with Kelce than Kelce and our #1. The #1 WR might be able to do better than either individually, but not combined. Plus look at the WR market, you are going to struggle to get a true #1 for $20 million. Plus as I had stated that if your #1 goes down and only has JAGs behind him this offense is in trouble. It’s no surprise that KC’s offense is better this year than last when we had Tyreek.

Mahomes is getting to a stage where he will have to do more with less. I believe he can and will, but I would rather pour resources into keeping him upright and on defense so he can win games without having to feel like he has to do it all.

Nope.

Shit. Fine then. Be that way.

Happy New Year, bud.:p

You don't have a 10" dick? How the hell was your application for membership to CP approved? Next you tell me you don't have a supermodel wife...

Yeah this is BS. It's all about resource allocation. Again, we're paying MVS and Frank Clark $30+ mil whether there they're on the team or not in 2022 and 2023. $46mil if you include OBJ. All that for barely above average production. You can pay a true #1 WR with that money.

Terry McLaurin signed a 3 year 68mil contract in the in the offseason that's actually a 3 year $53mil contract. Would you rather have Terry McLaurin for 3 years 53 million or MVS, OBJ, and Frank Clark for 2 years $46+mil? Or 3 years $58mil for Dk Metcalf.

Mclaurin numbers would be about 20% inflated if he hit free agency, which is where we’d be getting one

His post said that when it was time to pay a receiver we drafted, we should let someone else do that

Oh yeah we should pay our own guy

You cane give a second contract. Just not a third.

Juju with has rejuvenated his career in KC. A leader in the locker room and a good player. He's been half WR and half TE for us, highly effective.

Not sure what kind of money he's looking for but I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up in MIA or some other team that loves snatching up our players.

We need to ink him. As Kelcee starts the decline he can run a lot of the same routes and find holes in the zone in much the same way. He can pick up some of the slack.

The awesome thing with Kelce is that he is so good because he's so ****ing smart. He can do that well into his late 30s if he wants and even when his age catches up to him he will still be good because of his intelligence.

****ing love the guy!

MVS is on a 3 year, so hes already accounted for. To go with that, we wouldnt miss him. Hes caught 37 balls this year, and dropped 37 more. Hes a JAG.

Happy new year!

No, seriously-

I no longer believe in the 'stars and scrubs' method of team building. You can kind of do that until you have to pay your QB. And at that point, it just leaves you too predictable, too one dimensional.

I'd rather have 3 solid plus players than one star in any position group. The opposition can plan for one star; much tougher to deal with 3 guys who can all beat you on any given rep.

Our inefficiencies this season are not talent based. Sometimes Mahomes still is reluctant to take the outlet pass to the back (less so these last few games, and look at what Mckinnon has done!), we've had a lot of turnovers (!) and a lot of dropsies. Add those to having absolute dogshit at RT, and let's call it "inconsistent" play at LT. If more than one of those things is happening for a stretch, we can look incoherent.

No, I think we need to stay this course. I'd like to see Juju in year 2 here. Develop Skyy and Toney. Draft another guy. Fix the ****ing OT situations.

And get some DL help.

Deandre Hopkins for $20m or JJSS & MVS for $20m, I think I would prefer Hopkins, but I don't think he is THAT much better than JJSS, especially when you account for age and likelihood to decline.

But its really a false argument, Hopkins is not a free agent next year and he is currently making $27m per year average. So the real equivalent would be JJSS & MVS & a 2nd round pick & ~5m of cap, or Deandre Hopkins. That starts to look like a terrible option for Hopkins then.

I know, I know, you didn't just mean Hopkins. But is there a wide receiver out there in 2023 who is better than JJSS straight up and wouldn't also cost a high draft pick?

It's a manageable cap hit to cut MVS if they want to.

I think I might well do that, honestly, and use some of that money to bring back Juju, who's been very good, in my opinion.

I know everyone feels like we need a true #1, but I'll just say that Juju is averaging 11.9 yards per catch, and last year Hill was at what, 11.2? So the deeper, less top heavy WR corps concept is actually working. As a whole, the offense is more explosive.

If we don't win the Super Bowl, it won't be because Juju isn't good enough.

It might be because Brown and/or Wylie isn't.
It might be because Frank Clark, Dunlap, Danna, Nnadi, etc aren't.


Or it might be because we fumble it away, or throw dumb interceptions, or Butker melts down or something.

I think we should concentrate on THOSE things this offseason, and not marginal improvements over areas in which we are in good shape.

Mahomes plus Best 52.

I almost perfectly agree with you, I would phrase my take a little differently, more like this:

There are lots of position groups where there is value in paying big money contracts to the right player. QB, LT, WR, CB, Pass Rusher.

No one can build a superbowl championship roster by going premium contract/player at all these positions, the cap stops that.

When looking at the Chiefs roster and needs, it seems like a much better use of resources to spend the available cash on needs other than WR (T and DE, for example).

Spending big cash on a WR and getting a 3rd round tackle who turns out to be a pro bowler could work, but spending the cash on a tackle and hoping for a 3rd round WR to boost the offense is the better approach for the Chiefs.

People on here thinking there is cash for a top 5 WR, and a top 5 LT, and a top 5 DE just want the Chiefs to borrow from the future cap to win now, which seems like a short sighted approach, even if there were top 5 players available at all these positions.

Cool, you freed up Clark and Brown Jr’s salaries. Now replace those players. Who are you getting and how much will they cost? Easy to cut their salaries in a bubble and say “Look at all this money we saved and have to spend!”. You replacing them through the draft? You confident both can start as rookies and play well? If not you have to replace them first before making it rain for a true #1 WR even if MVS is wildly overpaid. I also didn’t even mention replacing Wylie as well.

EXACTLY.

We're the #1 offense in football as it stands. We've shown we can get it done with solid but unspectacular WR's.

Let's shore up the trenches, protect Patrick, and draft and develop.

We should not ever mortgage the future in Patrick's tenure. You have a legit shot every season. Make 'em all count.

And what's your plan for LT and DE? And you're rolling with Wylie again at RT?

And so you're not bringing Juju back, so that means you're rolling with Metcalf and Kelce? And Hill had 11.2 ypc in '21 as a #1 WR here with just him and Kelce so you want to do that again, despite the fact that this offense as it stands is MORE explosive than last year's?

But how explosive will it be with gaping holes at both OT spots-I mean you've allocated nothing to that. And nothing at DE, so the defense will be worse than this year's.

If you think you're getting an upgrade at LT or DE at #30ish, you're mistaken. You'll have to allocate funds to improve these other positions.

No, it's not bullshit.

If this team doesn't win the Super Bowl, it will NOT be because we don't have Metcalf. It might be because we can't rush the passer consistently without blitzing. It might be because we can't block EDGE rushers because our OT's aren't good enough. It might be because we fumble it away, or Mahomes gets impatient and throws some picks. But it won't be because we don't have Metcalf.

Mahomes plus best 52.

Yeah I don't think replacing below average to barely above average players who are well overpaid is too much of an issue. You don't think there are a bunch of players doing what they do for much less?

So you think replacing MVS, Frank Clark, and OBJ is some insurmountable task?

I don't get defending overpaying below average to average players, but paying elite players market rate is some big no no. At least those players are producing to their salary level.

And why do you think paying a guy like Dk would suddenly leave us unable to find an LT and DE through the draft, FA, or trade?

Replacing the current production of MVS, Clark and OBJ I would say is very easy. They are all JAG level though, I would want to significantly exceed their production, and that would not be cheap.

I would have the same response to the DK question as the Hopkins one. DK vs JJSS/MVS for the same amount of money, sure I would take DK. But DK isn't available in FA next year, so bit of a moot point.

Again, I was replying to him saying that we shouldn't pay a WR that we drafted and should let some other team pay him.

We’re not mortgaging the future. We can easily get to $60 million to $100 million in cap space with a handful of moves. We have good young players capable of starting at many positions — this goes to your point about the draft — and I’m sure we’ll continue to build depth in the draft. But we also will have holes at LT, RT, WR, and DE. I hope we spend the cap surplus we’re going to have with vets at those positions and also hope we’re able to fill one or two of those spots with draft picks that can fill one or two of those spots.

1)no, it's not insurmountable, but it will cost significant cap dollars and/or draft resources. It's much more likely we have to pay at LT and DE, and draft to replace Wylie, as RT is a spot we might be able to fill at #30ish.

2)I don't defend overpaying below average to average players. I don't think MVS has proven to be worth his $10m, but I think Juju has proven himself to be a guy I'd like to see back again. His ypc is 11.9, by the way. Hill's last year? 11.2. So that's what a #1wr plus a bunch of JAGS gets you. We're literally BETTER just having 3 or 4 viable options than Kelce + a true #1wr.

3)paying a Metcalf, or a Hopkins, will not move the needle for this offense when you consider that it means no Juju, or MVS if you wanted to keep him. So you're back to JAGS plus one great WR. We saw last year what that does. This is better, by any measure you want to look at. Statistically, it's clearly better.
Additionally, it does handi-cap our ability to fill the LT, RT, and DE positions. We pick too late to be able to count on quality LT's or DE's in the draft. That means we'll have to pay them, and an average LT will cost you $15m plus, a quality DE will cost you at minimum $15m (Ngakoue's cap figure this year). So yeah, that's $30m MINIMUM to fill those positions, LT probably a wash, but pass rush probably improved. This is with no Juju, No MVS, and forces you to draft an OT in round one pretty much or be screwed at RT again. Wylie blows goats.

Toney, if he could stay healthy, moves the needle, but he hasn't proven he can do that. Hardman is a FA. Moore hasn't proven anything. You've got nothing proven if you let Juju and MVS walk and sign a Metcalf or a Hopkins.

And we're the #1 offense in the NFL. Why in the world wouldn't you prefer to fill the obvious holes rather than reverse course and handicap yourself everywhere else? It's dumb.

I think some of this is guys that look at fantasy football stats and not actual football.

Show me how we get to those numbers without pushing money forward.

what are you talking about?

Kinda vague there. Who in particular are you referring to?

Ok, let's look at 2023.

Spotrac currently has us $18m under the estimated cap.

That's about what it would cost to bring back Juju, but if you don't...

If you cut Clark you pick up $20m. So that's $38m.

Jones is $28m. So, if you extend him, maybe get that number down to $20m?

So you're at $46m.

You have no LT at all. Average LT salary is like $16m. A plus pass rusher is going to be $15-20m. Average Rt is like what, $12 or $14? And you're done. Or you can skip one of those and pay a Metcalf.


This is dumb. It doesn't have to be this way, and it should not be.

:spock:

Big third and long fails popping up again

Welp . . .

I'm sorry I just couldn't get behind signing juju at that number.

alright, well then you go into next year with Moore, and Toney. And MVS, if you want to pay him $10m. Personally, I'd rather cut MVS, take an extra $8m and have Juju, but that's just me.

Or you can pay none of them and have Metcalf or Hopkins at $20m plus and have draftees at DE, no NFL caliber LT or RT.

I mean, you know, it'd be nice to have studs everywhere, but it comes down to either paying one or two studs and having bums everywhere or spreading the money out and having no serious deficiencies anywhere. I'd rather do that, is all I'm saying.

Yeah, probably not paying a top of the market WR contract for the next several years. I don't know why you think that's shocking, when they literally just sent Hill packing.

Maybe in 5 or 6 years, when Mahomes deal is a steal of a bargain we can afford to. Especially if we don't hit that piggy bank in the meantime.

Agree

I think you cut MVS sign JuJu, and if you can keep Hardman on a one year deal to do that too. But you still need to be hunting for a stud WR in the draft regardless of what we do.

8 consecutive passes plays without a completion in the 3rd quarter.

Just sayin.

Absolutely.

We're not going to be able to buy our spot at the top, we're going to have to draft, develop, and adjust.

Unfortunately, game changing EDGE rushers and premier LT's don't come in the range we draft in. So we'll have to pay them. We can make up for that by drafting and developing at WR and CB especially, as those are the other premier pay positions, and you can get good players in other spots than the top 15, as has been shown many times. Sneed, for example. Many top WR's around the league.

and that never happened with Hill? I refer you to the AFCCG.

Acting like a star #1 is some kind of cure-all is fool's gold.

We also abandoned the run yet again for long stretches.

It's a tough one. I don't think either MVS or Juju are guys I'd say we desperately need to bring back, especially not at rhe numbers being talked about but we're getting pretty thin. If we can get a middling DE and upgrade RT in FA then MAYBE you could see us drafting another WR in the first. Otherwise you've gotta think it's from R2 onwards and again a bit of a 50-50 as to their impact as rookies.

If MVS walked and we got JJSS for £18m or less I could stomach it but that is a lot for what he is imo. Still think we could get a guy like Meyers for less and see as much production.

Same for OTs though. Yes Mahomes will do magic with more time but he has to have someone to hit. If we get better in one we'll improve, and realistically it probably will just be one given the situation at DE.