For sure, but I think Worthy is even faster, and more physical.

4.35 40, 1.55 10 vs. 4.21 40 1.49 10

That's a significant difference, and for as much talk about his 40 and 10, Worthy's 41 inch vert and 10' 11" broad jump are just as insane. Dude is crazy explosive too.

I think the DJax comparison is a good one, just think there's a little bit more upside. Definitely closer to him than Tyreek though.

Us: "YEAAAHHH!!!"
The Rest of the League: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!"

I don't get hyped about worthy I stay hyped about worthy.

That was a nice quick route. Even if he doesn't have the playbook fully down, you have to get him starting early. Just him as a decoy is dangerous.

I’m curious if he will be faster than tyreek on Sundays

And he has more endurance than anyone on the field. A lot of those plays where Hill runs by people happen in the 4th Q.

I know it won't happen, because Tyreek has nothing to gain, but I feel like he could beat 4.21 if he tried.

Or, he could have a couple of years ago. I don't really watcu Miami, so maybe he has lost a step.

I have watched the Worthy 40 a bunch, and I almost feel I have seen Tyreek run faster in pads.

Odds are 99.9999% against Worthy to be a Tyreek level player. I would just like to see him display better awareness on the field than guys like MVS, Hardman, Toney, and Skyy Moore.

Odds are 99.9999% against any WR coming out to be a Tyreek level player.

There is no way you can look at a player on TV and come to the conclusion that they are running faster than a player that isn't even on the field. That's dumb as hell.

So, when you remember how fast Bo Jackson was, or Primetime, or Green, etc. you can't see them running in your mind?

Are you one of those people with no inner monolog?

Yeah, I can compare a memory to a video. Also, I can tell how fast I am driving without looking at the speedometer. I can match the passing of time, with distance traveled, and do a calculation of who was faster.

Also, if you read my comment carefully, I said that I feel like I have seen Tyreek run faster in pads. I didn't say I know for a fact, or imply that Tyreek actually was faster in pads.

If you watched the combine, and watched the 40 yard dash, do all of the players look like they are going the same speed to you? I don't really understand how you can't compare players speed during the 40 because they aren't running at the same time (or being simulcast)

After this pick, I'm reminded about how much we used to run the motion + race to the pylon play at the goal line, and how much fun it was to watch Tyreek LOL NAH dudes. That was such an easy play, sure it didn't work, but it was fairly low risk. And since, it seems like it's been a grind to get in the end zone.

Now, Mahomes has that back, but also has all the crazy shovel play shit that everyone tried to copy, the corndog plays which nobody can seem to defend against, and Rices screen shit which happens to work miraculously. And if you spread out too much, Pop is coming for your lunch money.

Man. I've missed that play.

The thing is that same stupid easy play might be good for huge yardage if you send Brown deep and the safety goes too, Worthy can come out of the backfield on a wheel route and eviscerate linebackers covering too much space like Jamaal Charles used to do, and by the time Reid got ahold of Jamaal he wasn't a shadow of his former self, speed-wise, and I don't think Charles had the top end that Worthy does. Though, that might be offset because secondaries were bigger and slower then when Charles came in.

tl;dr: LET'S GO!

well that was a waste of my time





Desean Jackson as the comp like...annoys me a little bit. Not only is Worthy significantly faster in every phase, he's also THREE inches taller. That means something.

You nailed it, in that Tyreek doesn't lose much in pads. Lots of guys run fast in shorts, then lose a little something once they put the pads on.

The stupidity of this is a bit overwhelming but let’s consider a few things.

Worthy temporarily built his body, with the help of world class trainers, to specifically run the 40. He ran in a straight line, in a dome, with no obstacles or pads.

In games, Tyreek has pads, a helmet, and probably never ran in a straight line with no obstacles for 40 yards. Maybe he looked quicker in short bursts than Worthy did during his 40, but that’s impossible to measure.

Your gut feeling on this one is not worth the server space - please delete and take the rest of the day off.

3 inches taller is great, but coming in lighter than Jackson is not ideal. Worthy says he’ll play at 175ish and hopefully won’t lose much speed.

I always try to be respectful, so I will say that's like, your opinion, man.

Remember the play where Mahomes threw a jump pass to Hardman in Tennessee, and he literally split defenders, one of which was college track athlete Adore Jackson, and ran away from them like they were standing still?

At no time during his 40 did it appear that Worthy was running faster than Hardman's top speed on that play. Was he moving faster? Probably, but I have watched nearly every college snap Worthy has taken, and I never saw him do anything like that. I saw him run away from guys, but not like Hardman did on that play.

I am on record as wanting Worthy in the first (and several other big time receivers) and I think he is going to be great, and I think he is really fast, but he dropped weight and trained specifically to run a fast 40. It is the fastest 40 ever recorded at the combine, yet Worthy is probably not even in the top 5 for fastest players I have seen on a football field, and again, I have seen almost every snap Worthy took in college.

Bo Jackson, Prime, Darrell Green, Tyreek, Vick, and Randy Moss all looked faster, to me, on the football field. The "fast" guy whose speed kinda matches Worthy is Chris Johnson. He was very fast, but never looked like his 40 time should look.

Then there are guys that I don't really remember, but I know were fast, like Bob Hayes, Willie Gault, etc.

I don't care about his weight nearly as much as others do but three inches taller just gives me more hope to build on that frame.

I also don't like the comp of DeVonta Smith. They are similar heights and weights but Worthy ran SIGNIFICANTLY faster.

4.5 to 4.2 is night and ****ing day

lol at you going through and down voting all my posts because I had the audacity to call out your stupid post. Lol you're gonna do GREAT here





this you? lmao

JFC people...Tyreek Hill has run the 40. Look at his pro day numbers. 4.29. To say he can "easily" beat a 4.21 (the fastest time ever clocked) is utterly ridiculous.

Point A to B in a 40 yard dash, Worthy is faster. Period. There is proof of it. We will see how it translates to game speed with pads on.

Tyreek may very well look faster. He is a jerky sprinter. Worthy is more of a smooth strider.

I down voted your posts because the content was junk... Don't be so sensitive that you have to search for my posts stalker :). I compared those two player's weight as they're considered small for WRs. Staying healthy is still a concern as well a beating press coverage. I wasn't trying to compare those two as far as skill set, but hey you do you and keep stalking playa.

Worthy’s speed jumped off the screen to me watching him torch my Texas Tech guys the last few years. But I am more interested to see how he does for the Chiefs with route-running, awareness/ball tracking, and catching the ball when it’s there to be caught. These are fundamental aspects of the game that have been missing with guys like Hardman, MVS, Toney, & Skyy Moore.

Yeah why are we worrying about his speed when we should be hoping he can catch the ball or run a decent route. He does either of those two things and our offense improves exponentially.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A few notes from Day 2 of rookie camp:<br><br>�� WR Xavier Worthy had a strong day. I counted 6 catches, including an impressive grab deep down the field<br><br>�� UDFA CB Miles Battle made an athletic PBU down the sideline<br><br>�� TE Jared Wiley had another solid day. He’s off to a great start</p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/1787226087740608716?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That does it, Wiley is already the Camp Heartthrob/swoons and vapors

Worthy may be a shade faster than Tyreek ever was but Tyreek is super quick as well as fast. They both can jump like grass hoppers and neither have the greatest hands.

I think Worthy's ceiling is he'll be our faster version of DeSean Jackson assuming he can become a exceptional route runner. Tyreek has that jitter quickness that I don't think can be matched. He's a unicorn in that way.

Damn. That's a fine looking trophy case.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All in a day&#39;s (foot)work. <a href="https://t.co/cs5NXn8Wmf">pic.twitter.com/cs5NXn8Wmf</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1787232280475210156?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I get the Tyreek comparison but besides weight, Xavier has better everything on paper. Taller, longer arms and hands, faster in every test and higher vert.

I think Tyreek just keeps more speed with pads on versus most fast skinny wideouts that run/test in their underwear.

Boner alert.

BEHOLD! This is what you are joining! Give us MORE! :thumb:

I have an inner monologue, but I've never watched one speedster and thought wow he looks faster than another speedster when they aren't on the field together.

Hope “F-“ Clark has that case area climate controlled.

so are those patrick's actual MVPS or replicas?

Damn he’s fast stopping and changing direction out of his cuts.

I think the NFL allows for multiple trophies. I believe I’ve seen players with a Lombardi.

The players get their own smaller replica of the Lombardi. Theres only 1 real thing, and it's in that case.

Don't know about MVP trophies though.

Worthy is quick but it's a damn shame that his career as Chief will always be compared to Tyreek's abilities and accolades

Patrick's SB LVIII MVP isn't in the case

If he's even 70% the production of Tyreek at his peak with 0% of his nonsense, Chiefs fans aren't going to bother talking about that loud-mouthed loser

Tyreek is 1 of 1. But has baggage. If Worthy can be counted on to be a consistent and complementary piece to the offense, he'll workout well, and make his own name for himself.

Meh. Rice isn’t. Rice was the first real long term shot at replacing Hill. (well I guess Skyy was by I’m trying to forget that kid).

Worthy comes in here and rapes faces and wins Bowls, we’ll love Worthy for Worthy. Only a reeruned minority will constantly compare him to Hill.

And if he avoids BOUNCING A PERFECT PASS OFF HIS ****ING FACEMASK IN THE SUPER BOWL that can only help.

Going back thru the thread, wanted to discuss here.

I don't think Pat has ever really upped his deep ball accuracy for some reason. Some of it is the guys he was throwing to, but he's always seemed to kinda struggle. I think he throws it on a line too much.

Saw this in an article at ESPN regarding impressions from college coaches on where players went in the draft.

The first round ended with a flurry of wide receivers, which drew different reviews from coaches. The Kansas City Chiefs traded up with the Buffalo Bills to draft Texas speedster Xavier Worthy, who set an NFL combine record by running the 40-yard dash in 4.21 seconds but also struggled with drops at times during his career with the Longhorns.

"He's a helluva player, and Kansas City's a good fit for him as well," a Big 12 defensive assistant said. "In that system, in that scheme, they have some possession receivers; you can't ask for a better situation for him."

A Big 12 defensive coordinator added of Worthy: "I'm not sure why Buffalo didn't want him. He's not super physical, but the guy can freaking fly."

"He's not your traditional receiver who runs routes," a power-conference defensive coordinator said. "He can do a multitude of things with his skill set. Patrick Mahomes has to throw a 3-yard pass, he can make a guy miss, and all of a sudden, you've got a 20-yard gain. You know with running backs, you have scat-backs? He's the scat-receiver."

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...pers-surprises

Please let some moronic team try and press him...one step and it's a wrap.

This idea that he'd be static at the line and just take the press is so silly...actually, this entire argument about pressing him is.

Yeah, I mean I think it's fair to say that just about nobody is truly 'good' at that. Wilson was at his apex. Goff is pretty good at it now.

But the difference between mediocre and good is hitting on, what, 3 or 4 more of those in a given year? The sample sizes are so small.

Let's just say for the sake of easy math that Mahomes throws 1.1/gm - 18/yr.

If only 40% of those are balls that should be caught - that's 7 of 'em. If Goff throws 60% on those it's 11. That's 4 more balls over the course of an entire season that end up catchable.

And if of those 7 you end up with the WR just duffing 5 of them whereas the "Goff Group" brings in 70ish% of the catchable balls, now you're looking at 7 catches vs. 2 on the Mahomes group.

The gap between Mahomes and a good deep ball thrower may be substantially but not ultimately likely to be hugely relevant IF he gets representative performance from his WRs. If both groups give you about a 70% success rate you get 5 catches on Mahomes 7 'good' balls and about 8 catches on Goff's 11 'good' balls.

3 catches over the course of a year. It's not nothing, but it's not something that can't easily be made up elsewhere.

But he needs 'representative' in his success rates. With MVS and Hardman he wasn't really getting that.

These are sexy quotes.

Some of the NFL exec quotes are nice too.


“Kansas City is going to light people up with that kid,” an exec said of Worthy. “He’s a little, fast guy, and you think he’s a track guy, but he’s tough, finishes runs, fast, disciplined. He has a nice all-around game.”

So Sneed couldn't press this kid and bump him off his route like he did against Tyreek? He hasn't played in a NFL game, yet talking about an NFL caliber CB that can quite possibly press him is silly? As I was watching most of Worthy's college games the CBs played off of him which showed respect for his speed. I'm sure more physical CBs in the NFL will take a different approach.

Considering Rice's legal issues, I'm surprised Veach used a 1st round pick on a WR who is sexually aroused by being shat on.

Comp: Odell Beckham

I'm not worried at all. Worthy is going to be facing the other team's third corner on most snaps.

There's no pressure on Worthy. If we get a Hardman rookie season out of him the pick is a success. And he'll easily eclipse that.

Yeah teams played 10 to 15 yards off of him...you know why? Because they knew what he'd do if he got behind the CBs and more times than not, he still did.

You bring up Sneed....are we playing the Titans this year? I'm confused. Who are all these CBs in this league on our schedule that are actually good, physical CBs that can jam him?

No one is playing man or even 1 high against this offense...you're gonna get a ton of 2 high looks.

I think the speed combo of Hollywood and Worthy could even stress safetys trying to cover the deep voids behind the corners in a cover 2 at times. As said before, they should help open up more space underneath for Kelce as well as Rice pending availability.

I don't disagree but I just don't think you'll see many teams foolish enough to try and play man against this offense...I could be wrong and hey, I hope I am.

I really feel like with our additions it's total "pick your poison" for opposing defensive coordinators now.

We are all hyped about Worthy as we should be but I am wondering if Wiley can steal the #2 TE spot at some point this season. Also impressed hearing about Hadden's performance.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We&#39;re just in from the final rookie <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> minicamp look. <br><br>- I like WR Xavier Worthy and TE Jared Wiley, who seem to have settled in as the short camp carried along. Head coach Andy Reid noted that they have retained well, an important very first sign. Wiley appears like one of…</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1787544905981497404?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Man idk.... defenses league wide seem to adjust slowly to new offensive wrinkles. Or at the very least it takes half the season or a full season of tape for defenses to catch up to your tendencies.

From 2017 - 2020, defenses could not pin down the Chiefs until TB did the 2 high shell in the Super Bowl. And thats all we saw in 2021. In 2022, we played the intermediate game to perfection with an occasional deep ball to MVS, and defenses got carved to death because they refused to let go of cover 2. It took until 2023 where defenses finally played man and pressed us at the line to slow down the intermediate game, and I predict we're gonna see that again next season for a good portion.

Having 3 pass catching threats at TE again would be a huge plus for the offense. Never really got to see the full potential of the 13 personnel with Fortson always being hurt and Blake Bell becoming less and less of a pass catching threat.

Theres quite a bit wrong with this. The regular season Tampa game they played man and got torched. The Super Bowl the Chiefs were sending out one of the worst offensive lines to attempt to play a game. They knowingly took the top off and our oline couldn't block a stiff breeze. Once Tyreek was traded, teams quickly figured out MVS wasn't a consistent threat and JuJu, Kelce, and McKinnon carried the offense much of that season. 2023 the WR group didn't scare a soul, they couldn't catch, ran poor routes of course defenses could man up without a thought to the contrary, until Rice started to get it. Its all pure projection, but Hollywood, Rice, Worthy, and Kelce is a tough matchup in itself on paper. Then you've got to add in Pop out of the backfield. If they can get notable production from Wiley or even Irv, now you're having to account for another TE in 12 personnel. You're now not relying on Watson to be THE guy, but just be a guy which he's been known to make timely plays. If they can get anything to click in Toney's head in this offense now you're up to 5 wideouts. Last year they started the season with a hope and a prayer at WR, just a much different cast and what can be done within the offsense.

1. Despite our O-Line being depleted that SB, the whole league decided Cover 2 was the way to go the next season because TB did it. And it worked. Mahomes struggled for a good chunk of the season.

2. You mentioned how the league knew we couldn't reliably go over the top with Tyreek gone and MVS being inconsistent, but they didn't do anything about it. They got carved to shreds, their adjustment to our new approach was way too slow. It didn't come until 2023 when we didn't adjust and also took a huge step back due to Toney/Moore/MVS regressing.

everyone should read to the end of that tweet.

- CB Kamal Hadden had an interception in 7-on-7, and I noticed his ability to stick with Worthy during KC's RZ work. DBs room quietly deep even with departure of L'Jarius Sneed.


idiots will say they're down on Worthy...I'll say I'm up on Kamal Hadden

The offense is elite with WR's with speed. Its pretty well understood by now that Veach was after Zay Flowers and his speed in the draft last season. It didn't work out, but still won another Super Bowl. Brown and Worthy will definitely have defenses yet again pivoting in how they play the Chiefs.

I am curious how defenses will play us. We have a ton of speed but they're all new players, we might have to prove we can beat you over the top before defenses get stretched back. Or will they play back and let us dink and dunk like we have been?

Idk, curious to see.

i think we are going to have to prove that we can beat teams over the top. Worthy going to need to prove he can get off the line and enough of a route tree to warrant a full compliment of snaps. Brown is going to need to show he is better wr. then the 500 yds he had last year.

Brown had a heel injury.


Having had a long-term heel injury myself, it suuuuuuuuucks


It can feel like you'll never be the same. Then one day...poof. You're fine again. One of the weirder lower leg injuries you can have to be honest. I think he'll be significantly better than last year not even counting the gigantic jump forward from Kyler Murray to Mahomes.

While I agree that there's still a large question as to whether Worthy will be able to just run by NFL DBs, it's also true that there just aren't that many Sneed types in the league currently. True 1v1 press corners are kind of rare right now in the NFL. Most teams are running way more zone than man coverages these days simply because they all lack that true 'island' CB1.


We'll see how many defenses try to run press vs. Worthy pretty quickly, I think. And then we'll see how Worthy deals with it. Or, we'll see most teams just not even try it because they aren't built that way.

With both Worthy and Brown, I doubt we'll see much press man. That's a good way to lose by four scores.

Yeah, and I'm sure that's the plan. Of course, we don't really know just how good Hollywood is really going to be (will he be that 1,000 yard guy from his sophomore year? Or the guy that's been kind of average the last few years?), but I feel like he should be closer to that 1,000 yard guy in 2024 with Andy and Pat than the 500 yard guy he was last season with ARI and Kyler.


But if I'm being completely honest, whether he's closer to 500 yards than 1000 yards, he's still going to be a massive upgrade over pretty much every WR we fielded last season, so regardless of his actual final numbers I think Hollywood is certain to have a good season in 2024.

Never happen with Reid bro

If they want to play press man, Reid would have to pull Mahomes or yeah, we'll hang 40 every week.

He barely played with Kyler in Arizona, but when he did, the production was very good.

Yeah. If he's healthy, he's going to be more like 800 yards. If Rice misses half the season, it will be 1000.

That's another good point. Worthy will probably spell Hollywood mostly in the beginning, so they won't be on the field together much, if at all.


Though, I think a bigger part of it will just be that Andy likes to bring rooks on slowly. So probably for the first 3-4 weeks Worthy will have the usual sub-package of about 10-15 plays that he'll work on mastering while seeing 3-5 targets/gm. Then if he absorbs that quickly, another 10-15, maybe as many as 20 over the next few weeks and a couple extra touches.

And so on, assuming Worthy absorbs his packages of plays at a good rate. So it might be well into the third quarter of the season before we see Worthy getting say 7-10 targets/gm on any kind of regular basis. Kind of a similar trend line to Rice last season.

Depends on Worthy, and Rice's suspension, in my opinion.

Well yeah, that's true, Kyler didn't get back on the field until, idk, mid-season? My point really was that since his 2nd season, Brown hasn't really taken off the way a lot of people assumed he would. He kind of got stuck in 2nd gear, so to say.


My theory has always been that his QB play determined his production more than any mistakes he made each season. Though he wasn't perfect by any means. But it's still a question of 'is he really good but had bad QB play?' or is he really just another burner with JAG WR skills? which is why he was available and why we got him for almost nothing.


We'll find out in a few months.

Ack. I keep forgetting about Rice's impending suspension. Keep thinking he'll be out there Week 1. My bad.

In 2 seasons they played 13 games together. Hollywood had just under 700 yards (699) in those 13 games. His last time having a legitimate starting QB was his last season in Baltimore when he had 1,000+ yards.

Like I said, I think he's going to be fine. But he is a smaller WR, and we've seen smaller WRs get bullied at the LoS and basically canceled, Sneed being the most obvious example. But there are a few others than can press small WRs in the league, just not a lot of them. Shit, Chavarius Ward canceled DK Metkalf twice in 12 months, and DK is a beast.


But I can't deny that being so wrong about both KT and Skyy has me a little snakebit either. I'm going to be a little (a lot?) more cautious with my projections about new WRs for a little while.:thumb:

I don't agree here because both of these guys are going to get used in the slot. Especially with Rice suspended. They didn't assemble all of this speed to not use it together on the field.