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R8RFAN 02-23-2011 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7449161)
I have a 79 coupe deville with a 425 and a th400 trans.

Drove it to training camp this year and got just over 20 mpg. That car is the size of two or three cars made today. Why don't theselittle cars get better mileage?
I don't like conspiracy theorists but something is fishy
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My thoughts exactly... Some of it comes from all that emissions bs on them now too...

Bugeater 02-23-2011 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 7449167)
My thoughts exactly... Some of it comes from all that emissions bs on them now too...

The comfort and safety features on today's cars also add weight. None of those listed are going to be very pleasant to drive, and they're all probably grossly underpowered when compared to today's cars as well.

SAUTO 02-23-2011 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7449178)
The comfort and safety features on today's cars also add weight. None of those listed are going to be very pleasant to drive, and they're all probably grossly underpowered when compared to today's cars as well.

Dude a1979 cadillac coupe deville.

What car out today weighs more than that ****er?
Big block and a four barrel carb.
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R8RFAN 02-23-2011 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7449178)
The comfort and safety features on today's cars also add weight. None of those listed are going to be very pleasant to drive, and they're all probably grossly underpowered when compared to today's cars as well.

Chevy Aveo weight 2568
<table><tbody><tr class="even"><th>Horsepower @RPM</th><td>108@6400</td></tr><tr class="odd"><th>Fuel Economy Cty/Hwy</th><td>27/34</td></tr></tbody></table>


Ford escort (can't find weight)
Ford's first "World Car", the Escort, was introduced in the North American market for the model year 1981. The Ford Escort (a totally different version) had been available in other parts of the world as a rear wheel drive car from 1968-1980. The North American launch of the Escort coincided with the European release of the MK3 Escort. Ford Motor Company needed a new subcompact car to replace the outdated Pinto. The first Escort, and Mercury's version called the Lynx, was powered by a carbureted 1.6L 4 cylinder sporting a 2 barrel carburetor that produced 69 horsepower. The engines were SOHC (single overhead cam) designs and called the CVH, which stood for "Compound Angle Hemispherical" combustion chamber. This was "basic transportation" and needed more power under the hood. These cars were all front wheel drive, had independent 4-wheel suspension, rack & pinion steering, and a choice of a 3-speed automatic or 4-speed manual transmission. They were available as a 2-door hatchback or a 4-door wagon. Initially, there were a lot of recalls and build-quality problems. These engines suffered many head gasket failures due to having an aluminum cylinder head on an iron block. The fix was stretchable (one time use only) head bolts and a new cylinder head gasket design.




The point is they have been able to increase horse power as both sport a 1.6L engine.... but the MPG has decreased....

Remember that CRX or the Geo Metro with the 3 cyl engine? Why do they not make something like that now in mass production?

WV 02-23-2011 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 7449211)
Remember that CRX or the Geo Metro with the 3 cyl engine? Why do they not make something like that now in mass production?

Or remember the Subaru Justy! Unfortunately they do mass produce cars like this, but only in Europe.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ru_Justy_2.JPG

Bugeater 02-23-2011 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7449206)
Dude a1979 cadillac coupe deville.

What car out today weighs more than that ****er?
Big block and a four barrel carb.
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Most of those cars listed get twice the hwy mpg you got with that Caddy. But I'll admit it's not bad for a tank like that.

Bugeater 02-23-2011 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 7449211)
Chevy Aveo weight 2568
<table><tbody><tr class="even"><th>Horsepower @RPM</th><td>108@6400</td></tr><tr class="odd"><th>Fuel Economy Cty/Hwy</th><td>27/34</td></tr></tbody></table>


Ford escort (can't find weight)
Ford's first "World Car", the Escort, was introduced in the North American market for the model year 1981. The Ford Escort (a totally different version) had been available in other parts of the world as a rear wheel drive car from 1968-1980. The North American launch of the Escort coincided with the European release of the MK3 Escort. Ford Motor Company needed a new subcompact car to replace the outdated Pinto. The first Escort, and Mercury's version called the Lynx, was powered by a carbureted 1.6L 4 cylinder sporting a 2 barrel carburetor that produced 69 horsepower. The engines were SOHC (single overhead cam) designs and called the CVH, which stood for "Compound Angle Hemispherical" combustion chamber. This was "basic transportation" and needed more power under the hood. These cars were all front wheel drive, had independent 4-wheel suspension, rack & pinion steering, and a choice of a 3-speed automatic or 4-speed manual transmission. They were available as a 2-door hatchback or a 4-door wagon. Initially, there were a lot of recalls and build-quality problems. These engines suffered many head gasket failures due to having an aluminum cylinder head on an iron block. The fix was stretchable (one time use only) head bolts and a new cylinder head gasket design.




The point is they have been able to increase horse power as both sport a 1.6L engine.... but the MPG has decreased....

Remember that CRX or the Geo Metro with the 3 cyl engine? Why do they not make something like that now in mass production?

Probably because very few people would actually buy them.

R8RFAN 02-23-2011 09:00 PM

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R8RFAN 02-23-2011 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7449226)
Probably because very few people would actually buy them.

let gas get to 4 bucks a gallon and see how many are sold....

Bugeater 02-23-2011 09:01 PM

The EV-1 came out when gas was about $1/gal.

Bugeater 02-23-2011 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 7449238)
let gas get to 4 bucks a gallon and see how many are sold....

Yeah, if those prices were sustained we'd all be reconsidering what we drive. And I'll admit that as much as I hate high gas prices, there's a little part of me that enjoys knowing that these tools that drive ginormous SUVs are getting their asses reamed.

SAUTO 02-23-2011 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7449218)
Most of those cars listed get twice the hwy mpg you got with that Caddy. But I'll admit it's not bad for a tank like that.

I was comparing my car to the cars produced today. Not the ones on the list. If that car can get 20 mpg the average 4cyl car made today should get 50 imo
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Bugeater 02-23-2011 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7449379)
I was comparing my car to the cars produced today. Not the ones on the list. If that car can get 20 mpg the average 4cyl car made today should get 50 imo
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Eh, there's only so much they can do before they start compromising safety, power, and comfort.

007 02-23-2011 11:51 PM

Hell, I want to get back to where you could actually work on your own engine and not have to contort you body to get to anything.

jd1020 02-23-2011 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 7449238)
let gas get to 4 bucks a gallon and see how many are sold....

The US will start looking like Vietnam.

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