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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12003569)

Replacing Gordon, Rios, and Zobrist with Dyson, Orlando, and Infante is a huge hit to a third of our lineup.

Rios was pretty terrible, no? I don't see how hard it would be to replace 450 largely ineffective PAs and sub-standard defense. And you didn't have Zobrist while you were pulling away from the rest of the central.

In the end, this was a no-brainer signing for the Royals, don't get me wrong (if nothing else, a healthy Gordon absorbs the 200 very similar ABs you got from Zobrist last year). But I think that only because I think he'll get the 12 WAR needed to 'beat' my calculus.

If he went out there and gave you 9 WAR over the life of this deal, I just don't see how that would be considered a good signing at that point.

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12003522)

Internet. You always manage to surprise me.

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 12003581)

Infante for Zobrist is the only hit, albeit a big one. We'd have won the division without Zobrist, but we wouldn't have won the WS. Same goes for Cueto frankly.

losing Zobrist really,really hurt

He brought a professionalism to the plate that we really didn't have prior

He was decent enough at 2nd

While Zobrist is older, you can make a case that he was more important than Gordon to the team.

If i had to choose either/or ... i think i might have chosen keeping Zobrist over Gordon. Sacrilege, i know.

didn't keep Zobrist so Gordon is a big get for the heart of the team as much as on the field

They're trying to sign someone so they don't have to put Duffy in the rotation. Ideal goal would be to have Duffy + Zimmer pitch out of the pen and then replace Medlin/Volq next year.

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12003522)

Internet. You always manage to surprise me.

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 12003601)

I'm more concerned with the pitching staff, namely Herrera and Davis. Lot of miles on those guys the last two seasons going deep into the playoffs. They paid Soria to help shoulder some of that load, so that should help. But he's basically just taking Madson's place. And while Holland wasn't terribly effective, he took on some of those late game innings in 2015 as well.

Hocheaver is back and healthy now. He will eat up innings for the pen.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12003609)

I like Kennedy a lot as well and yeah, that sparkly K/9 jumps out.

One caveat, though. Some guys will have slightly inflated K/9 figures because they have a tendency to give up a few more baserunners (more PAs against means more chances at a K). It's why K% has become more popular of late - it doesn't 'penalize' guys for getting outs.

Lincecum was the first example of this that I really noticed. In 2012 his K/9 was almost exactly the same as his stellar 2011 season (in fact, it was a little better). His K% dropped by 1.5 points (about 5%); the reason was that he was facing more batters.

Kennedy is a bit like that; his K/9 is elite but his K% is merely good. The explanation for that is pretty straightforward when you see the 1.3 WHIP he had last season. Worse still, when you look at his K% and combine it with his xFIP, you see a very very interesting similar profile in 2015: James Shields.

If you consider the possible effect of a move to the AL and the fact that he won't get to strike out the pitcher anymore (thus inflating that figure a little as well), you suddenly wonder if maybe he wouldn't experience a bit of a reverse Shields in coming to KC. When Shields went KC to SD his K% skyrocketed (an amazing 6 points, damn near a full 1/3 better). I don't think Kennedy's would fall nearly that hard, but if it fell 1/2 that far, 3 points to say 21%, he's around guys like Hector Santiago and Jose Quintana. Probably not coincidentally, his WHIP is right around those guys same figures.

He's still a nice pitcher at that point, but I think there's a little fools gold in his numbers. I was really hoping the Pads wouldn't slap that QO on him. If you're stuck needing to go to $17 million/season on him and giving up a pick, I think it's a pretty tough call.

I wouldn't want to go $17 for him, but the Kazmir deal may have upped the price of poker.

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The Royals may also spend some time exploring the possibility of a re-worked deal with backstop Salvador Perez, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports adds on Twitter. We’ve heard chatter before that this could be considered, but the enormously team-friendly deal that he’s bound by also doesn’t leave much motivation for a deal. The large-framed, heavily-used backstop can already be controlled through 2019 (his age-29 season) via a series of options. That makes it seem unlikely, at least from an outside perspective, that he’ll be able to achieve much more than a few guaranteed years — likely at the price of surrendering yet more options at the back end.

I worry about Salvy's health beyond 2019, he is constantly getting beat up.

Love him to death but when does all that damage reach a tipping point?

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 12003648)

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/0...n-kennedy.html

Look at this gem in the quotes. Another Prison Douche type, only looking at the stats.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12003665)

I worry about Salvy's health beyond 2019, he is constantly getting beat up.

Love him to death but when does all that damage reach a tipping point?

Depends. Is Yost still manager? If so, Sal might need a wheelchair when he ends this contract.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12003665)

I worry about Salvy's health beyond 2019, he is constantly getting beat up.

Love him to death but when does all that damage reach a tipping point?

The foul balls right back into his face are worrisome. It happens so often.

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12003660)

I wouldn't want to go $17 for him, but the Kazmir deal may have upped the price of poker.

Yeah, but Leake may have anchored it a little bit as well.

Leake and Kennedy are projected for identical WAR's next season based on Steamer (which is usually pretty decent). Kennedy has those pretty K numbers that will give him value over Leake but Leake's athleticism and some additional durability could serve to even that out. Moreover, Leake's coming into his age 28 season whereas Kennedy is coming into 31.

I'd imagine they end up at similar AAVs, really. If there's enough interest, Kennedy can probably get the 4th year on there. 4/$60 doable for ya?

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12003616)

Would rather have Gallardo than Kennedy, but won't complain too much about either.

If the Royals have to give up their 1st round draft pick, I'd rather have Wei-Yin Chen. In my opinion he is the best of the three.