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Coach 10-25-2014 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11052939)
The baseball experts around here all agree that it doesn't exist.

Well, I'll just respectfully tell them that they're just flat out wrong.

See 1985 WS, Game 6 as evidence.
See 2003 NLCS, Game 6 as evidence.
See 2004 ALCS, Game 4 as evidence, which snowballed from there on out.

Coach 10-25-2014 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11052944)
well, it doesn't. Momentum is not a real thing in baseball.

I disagree. It does. See post above.

007 10-25-2014 10:29 PM

Momentum absolutely exists in all sports. To say otherwise just plain dumb.

alnorth 10-25-2014 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 11052946)
I disagree with the "experts". There was a massive momentum shift when they tied the game and Aoki GIDP in the 6th.

quantify this so-called "momentum".

Do you think the players went "oh God this sucks, I don't wanna play hard anymore" or "oh yay, we're winning, time to amp it up!"

The players are going to do what they are going to do, based on what the situation calls for.

Belief in "momentum" is right up there with belief in voodoo magic or witchcraft in my book.

ChiTown 10-25-2014 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11052950)
Momentum absolutely exists in all sports. To say otherwise just plain dumb.

Save your fingers. I agree with you, but I won't even argue it with the Stat Geeks on here. You won't win:D

Buehler445 10-25-2014 10:31 PM

Well, that was a pisser.

ChiTown 10-25-2014 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11052951)
quantify this so-called "momentum".

Do you think the players went "oh God this sucks, I don't wanna play hard anymore" or "oh yay, we're winning, time to amp it up!"

The players are going to do what they are going to do, based on what the situation calls for.

Belief in "momentum" is right up there with belief in voodoo magic or witchcraft in my book.

See post 2315:D

alnorth 10-25-2014 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11052949)
I disagree. It does. See post above.

Your evidence is nonsense.

Momentum does not exist. Pointing to a few times in history where a team suddenly goes on a roll only shows that sometimes something that has a 1-in-10 chance of happening, happens.

Chiefs Pantalones 10-25-2014 10:32 PM

MadBum has an ERA over 4 at AT&T Park this year.

wazu 10-25-2014 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11052950)
Momentum absolutely exists in all sports. To say otherwise just plain dumb.

Agree with this, but it turns on a dime and I have no idea how any of it actually works. Just keep playing hard and doing all you can with a positive attitude and good things usually happen.

GloryDayz 10-25-2014 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 11052946)
I disagree with the "experts". There was a massive momentum shift when they tied the game and Aoki GIDP in the 6th.

Butterfly effect... And had that situation not been totally ****ed up, who knows what would have happened? But that is certainly when the Royals 100% lost it mentally!

Coach 10-25-2014 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11052951)
quantify this so-called "momentum".

Do you think the players went "oh God this sucks, I don't wanna play hard anymore" or "oh yay, we're winning, time to amp it up!"

The players are going to do what they are going to do, based on what the situation calls for.

Belief in "momentum" is right up there with belief in voodoo magic or witchcraft in my book.

The situation would have been different, if Aoki would have stopped being a dumbass, and think out of his brain (or Ned for that matter) that he should had bunted over Dyson to give the R's a RISP, with only one out. It would had stretched the game out longer, to annoy the SF pitcher and make it more tougher on them.

Instead, Aoki hits it right at the 1st baseman, pulls off a double play. Bam. I just knew.

Then SF just went ape shit after that.

What would had happened if Aoki would had bunted over Dyson to 2nd? We'll never know. But I would almost bet money that KC would have gotten the lead back, because Escobar was having a solid World Series.

alnorth 10-25-2014 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 11052953)
Save your fingers. I agree with you, but I won't even argue it with the Stat Geeks on here. You won't win:D

You are basically saying momentum exists because you know it exists.

Well, it doesn't. If magical thinking makes you feel better, have at it.

Kaepernick 10-25-2014 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 11052855)
That made me dizzy


You are more likely to split back to back games than win both of them. So whoever wins game 5 is just more likely to win the series.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-25-2014 10:34 PM

Yeah, I remember when the Cardinals had all the momentum after Pujols put Brad Lidge into a sanitarium for three years.

What happened during the next game?

Oh, yeah. Roy Oswalt raped and murdered Busch Stadium.


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