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Al Bundy 09-06-2010 07:23 PM

One thing I will say is teams ALWAYS over value their own prospects and players.

BigRedChief 09-06-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6982304)
Ludwick hit .281 in 77 games with StL, he's hitting .218 in 33 games with SD. He's been shit as Adrian Gonzalez's protection, and hes most responsible for our 10 game losing streak, IMO.

We will take him off your hands.;)

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-06-2010 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6982304)
Ludwick hit .281 in 77 games with StL, he's hitting .218 in 33 games with SD. He's been shit as Adrian Gonzalez's protection, and hes most responsible for our 10 game losing streak, IMO.

I'd say the starting pitching that has been regressing to the mean would be the biggest reason why you've dropped 10 straight, not a single hitter in an entire order that is only mustering about 3 runs a game over the last two weeks.

Marcellus 09-06-2010 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6982383)
I'd say the starting pitching that has been regressing to the mean would be the biggest reason why you've dropped 10 straight, not a single hitter in an entire order that is only mustering about 3 runs a game over the last two weeks.

Yea, they were winning without Luddy when they weren't scoring many runs so he isn't the bad cog in the wheel.

DJ's left nut 09-07-2010 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6982272)
Did they ever say why he's asking to be traded?

Because he's a pussy.

Rasmus has always been a me-first prima donna. Granted, LaRussa jerks him around, but Rasmus has always had a shitty attitude and it was just a matter of time before this happened.

When it comes down to it, every party involved in this somehow managed to be in the wrong.

LaRussa needs to play the kid and let him grow through his mistakes.

At the same time, Rasmus needs to toughen the hell up. Having his daddy call on his behalf because Colby is having a tough go is bush league (yes, this happened). Demanding a trade from a first place ballclub because you got benched for showing up late to the ballpark is also soft as hell. The kid needs to realize that he doesn't shit gold bricks and that the game is bigger than him until proven otherwise.

Pujols needs to shut the **** up. Talk to the kid in private or talk to the team about the issue. Taking it to the media while openly stating that you haven't spoken to Rasmus is weak sauce. It's especially weak when LaRussa's coddling of Pujols has probably helped fuel Rasmus' discontent. When you and Yadi play by the same rules as the rest of the clubhouse, then I'll listen to you bitch. Until then, keep swinging when told and jogging down the line on ground balls, I don't need to hear you tell anyone how to be a better teammate. Afterall, just ask Scott Rolen.

All told - I don't even care. Just end the season and fire LaRussa. Maybe Pujols re-signs, maybe Rasmus settles down, maybe Chase Utley demands a trade to STL. I don't really give a shit. If the whole stupid house of cards topples, so be it - this team needs to be detonated anyway.

DJ's left nut 09-07-2010 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 6980671)
First: I'm not a fan of mizzou on mizzou hate, but you're the biggest Internet prick I've ever been around. Congrats.

Second: who is the Cardinals leadoff hitter? Does Colby rasmus lead off? Could albert pujols use more chances to hit with guys on base? That's my point in the "short-term value" area. DeJesus might be more valuable out ofthe leadoff spot, playing every day, than Rasmus hitting 5 or 6 while losing at-bats as he sits on the bench and garbage vets like Winn get at-bats.
Third: Clearly, Rasmus wants out of St. Louis and the Cards' centerpiece wants him out, too. Btw, that hurts Rasmus trade value.
Fourth: I'm not suggesting a DeJesus for Rasmus swap. I'm including a guy in Duffy and in my original suggestion threw in a useful bullpen arm, but could go to multiple other options depending on want, ranging from high upside low-level guys to someone more ready but less toolsy.
Finally: I'm aware Rasmus was the No. 3 prospect in baseball. Hosmer, Moustakas, myers and Montgomery all will be top 20 guys this year, with Hosmer and Moose both likely top five. Moose likely is about to be BA's MiLB player of the year. So don't act like there is nothing in the Royals system that compares to Rasmus. You're wrong.

Hosmer and Wil Myers both will be better hitters than Rasmus. Same pop, same obp potential, much higher average hitters.

Ugh - another primer on trade value appears to be in order.

Trade value is nothing more than a function of 2 teams wanting 1 asset. Ideally those 2 teams would've been St. Louis and a trade partner, but it's not required.

All you need to keep a players value is to get 2 teams interested in the guy, STL or otherwise. It's how the Broncos got value for Cutler when they clearly weren't keeping him. If STL doesn't want Rasmus anymore, there are 29 other teams in baseball that will gladly kick the tires on him. The Braves would LOVE the kid and have a very deep farm system. Suddenly he has a hell of a lot more value than a pending mediocre FA (yes, that's all DeJesus is), a potential 3rd starter (yes, that's all Duffy is, oh, and there's the whole quitting on the game thing) and a fringe relief prospect.

A 31 year old pending FA with no speed and a career OBP of .360 as a premier leadoff hitter? A guy more valuable than a cost-controlled 20/20 CFer? Not to mention the fact that DeJesus certainly won't play 'every day' as misses between 20 and 30 games every season. I'm sure that will get better as he ages and gets paid. Spare me.

Would you trade Moustakas for Jon Jay, Lance Lynn and Fernando Salas? Because that's exactly what you just offered. And it's ****ing reeruned.

Quit talking out of your ass and stick to the Royals. The adults will handle this on their own, thanks.

raybec 4 09-07-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6983657)
Because he's a pussy.

Rasmus has always been a me-first prima donna. Granted, LaRussa jerks him around, but Rasmus has always had a shitty attitude and it was just a matter of time before this happened.

When it comes down to it, every party involved in this somehow managed to be in the wrong.

LaRussa needs to play the kid and let him grow through his mistakes.

At the same time, Rasmus needs to toughen the hell up. Having his daddy call on his behalf because Colby is having a tough go is bush league (yes, this happened). Demanding a trade from a first place ballclub because you got benched for showing up late to the ballpark is also soft as hell. The kid needs to realize that he doesn't shit gold bricks and that the game is bigger than him until proven otherwise.

Pujols needs to shut the **** up. Talk to the kid in private or talk to the team about the issue. Taking it to the media while openly stating that you haven't spoken to Rasmus is weak sauce. It's especially weak when LaRussa's coddling of Pujols has probably helped fuel Rasmus' discontent. When you and Yadi play by the same rules as the rest of the clubhouse, then I'll listen to you bitch. Until then, keep swinging when told and jogging down the line on ground balls, I don't need to hear you tell anyone how to be a better teammate. Afterall, just ask Scott Rolen.

All told - I don't even care. Just end the season and fire LaRussa. Maybe Pujols re-signs, maybe Rasmus settles down, maybe Chase Utley demands a trade to STL. I don't really give a shit. If the whole stupid house of cards topples, so be it - this team needs to be detonated anyway.

My brother was the first one to clue me in to Colby's daddy being a meddling stage mom. THat shit cracks me up, how ****ing gay would you feel if your old man called your job to tell them how to better use your talents?

Simply Red 09-09-2010 06:01 PM

Wow, the Braves remind me of the 03 Chiefs.

Simply Red 09-09-2010 06:24 PM

tossed.

Simply Red 09-09-2010 06:27 PM

Smoltz just said it was an unfair tossing, he's generally 'spot on' - so...

Frazod 09-09-2010 07:55 PM

If we could play Atlanta every game, we'd be undefeated! :D

Swanman 09-10-2010 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6990013)
If we could play Atlanta every game, we'd be undefeated! :D

I think if we could avoid playing against pitchers with .300 winning percentages and ERA's above 6.00, we'd be golden too.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-10-2010 08:05 PM

Carp on the mound....and they shit the bed in the bottom of the 6th allowing 6 runs. 8-6 Braves.

BigRedChief 09-11-2010 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 6992366)
Carp on the mound....and they shit the bed in the bottom of the 6th allowing 6 runs. 8-6 Braves.

you know its not your year when Carp is dealing like a Cy Young winner and then the wheels fall off in one inning.:doh!:

BigRedChief 09-15-2010 08:48 PM

hey Larussa whether you admit it or not the team underperformed this year.

We need to shut down Garcia and Carp for the rest of the year. Molina and Pujols are hurting, shut them down too.

Frikking Reds fans don't deserve a winner. 12K fans for a division winner in September? You suck Red fans, We had 40K out on 3 consecutive school nights to watch a team implode. You don't deserve a winner.:shake:


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