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ChiefsCountry 10-25-2014 10:34 PM

Bottom line is we have a very average to below average middle relief. Its been that way all year and it finally bit us in the ass.

ChiTown 10-25-2014 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11052964)
You are basically saying momentum exists because you know it exists.

Well, it doesn't. If magical thinking makes you feel better, have at it.

Appreciate it. Thanks

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-25-2014 10:34 PM

JFC, are these guys going "Lil' Chiefy" on me?

DeezNutz 10-25-2014 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11052951)
quantify this so-called "momentum".

Do you think the players went "oh God this sucks, I don't wanna play hard anymore" or "oh yay, we're winning, time to amp it up!"

The players are going to do what they are going to do, based on what the situation calls for.

Belief in "momentum" is right up there with belief in voodoo magic or witchcraft in my book.

Impossible to quantify this, but to claim that psychology has no role in sports, which is what you're essentially doing, is incorrect.

I don't believe in "clutch," but I believe in choking. Emotions and psyche affect the game, for better or worse.

Mav 10-25-2014 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 11052957)
MadBum has an ERA over 4 at AT&T Park this year.

correct. he has pitched like shit at home this year.

This is no guarantee.

alnorth 10-25-2014 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11052962)
The situation would have been different, if Aoki would have stopped being a dumbass, and think out of his brain (or Ned for that matter) that he should had bunted over Dyson to give the R's a RISP, with only one out. It would had stretched the game out longer, to annoy the SF pitcher and make it more tougher on them.

Instead, Aoki hits it right at the 1st baseman, pulls off a double play. Bam. I just knew.

Then SF just went ape shit after that.

That is not what is commonly referred to as momentum.

Pointing out a critical play in history that would have changed the strategic implications of later plays which then would have changed what the manager would have done is not momentum.

DeezNutz 10-25-2014 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11052966)
Yeah, I remember when the Cardinals had all the momentum after Pujols put Brad Lidge into a sanitarium for three years.

What happened during the next game?

Oh, yeah. Roy Oswalt raped and murdered Busch Stadium.

Yeah, I don't think there is such a thing as momentum from game-to-game in baseball. Doesn't work like that.

In-game? Yes, I believe in that.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-25-2014 10:36 PM

I remember when Jayson Werth walked off Lance Lynn in the 2012 LDS too. Then the Nationals went up 5-0. They ran away with the momentum on that one...

I also remember when the Astros walked off in the '04 LCS to go up 3-2 after winning three straight at Minute Maid. Cardinals folded up shop after that one.

007 10-25-2014 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 11052972)
correct. he has pitched like shit at home this year.

This is no guarantee.

tomorrow is all about Shields. Nothing more.

Mav 10-25-2014 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief (Post 11052970)
JFC, are these guys going "Lil' Chiefy" on me?

uh, no?

Two evenly matched teams fighting for a title. This is how legends are made.
If the Royals win, they will be remembered for ever as being a team to beat the "big boys.'

If the Giants win they are a modern dynasty.

its epic.

alnorth 10-25-2014 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 11052971)
Impossible to quantify this, but to claim that psychology has no role in sports, which is what you're essentially doing, is incorrect.

I don't believe in "clutch," but I believe in choking. Emotions and psyche affect the game, for better or worse.

I'll clarify. The effect of "momentum", especially in the world series, is so small that it may as well not exist.

It might be more of a thing in the dog days of August for a terrible team or for a team well ahead and coasting.

GloryDayz 10-25-2014 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11052951)
quantify this so-called "momentum".

Do you think the players went "oh God this sucks, I don't wanna play hard anymore" or "oh yay, we're winning, time to amp it up!"

The players are going to do what they are going to do, based on what the situation calls for.

Belief in "momentum" is right up there with belief in voodoo magic or witchcraft in my book.

Perhaps that's a bit dramatic, but momentum is 95% mental (hardly voodoo), doubt creeps in, and too many players start over playing.

I'm sure you played sports, but that's what momentum is, mental... And usually a bad mental state meeting-up with a good mental state, and resulting in the bad mental state players playing scared and trying do things they shouldn't, and the good mental state players having the confidence they need to get the job done and playing withing their limits.

Mav 10-25-2014 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11052977)
tomorrow is all about Shields. Nothing more.

Its true. Its very true. The Giants have to get on him early. Even though the Royals didn't win game one, they hit madbum very hard in game one.

Shrugs.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-25-2014 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 11052975)
Yeah, I don't think there is such a thing as momentum from game-to-game in baseball. Doesn't work like that.

In-game? Yes, I believe in that.

There is one type of momentum in baseball that I believe in: when a pitcher is shitting his pants.

Coach 10-25-2014 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11052956)
Your evidence is nonsense.

Momentum does not exist. Pointing to a few times in history where a team suddenly goes on a roll only shows that sometimes something that has a 1-in-10 chance of happening, happens.

Well, I believe my evidence is very strong.

Had Don Denkinger called out instead of safe, St. Louis would had most likely won the game. Instead, St. Louis lost it shit, and blew the game. The aftermath was in Game 7, St. Louis got their shit kicked in.

Had Steve Bartman didn't do a dumbass catching the ball, and if Alou would have caught that, the Cubs would have most likely been in the World Series. Instead, he ****s up the play, frustrated the Cubs/fans/players, etc, and the Marlins took advantage of "Oh, we got a lucky break". It definitely impacted the game. The aftermath, the Cubs lose Game 7.

I can go on and on and on, but I'll just say, momentum do exist in sports, either you agree with it or not.


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