The only two Cardinals' pitching prospects recently that I feel like I have been significantly wrong about were Kaminsky and Gonzalez.

I thought Kaminsky would be the better of the 2 and Marco wouldn't be able to make it as a starter.

I also think I might have to eat some crow on Flaherty as well as I thought Weaver was better.

And Hudson...

You should definitely know who Bud Smith is.

Apart from being key to the Rolen trade, he was almost as hyped coming through the system as Rick Ankiel. Kid looked for all the world like a genuine star.

Then he threw something like 135 pitches as a 21 yr old in a no-hitter and became a cautionary tale foreverafter...

I call BS. Prove it.

All I know is that half your roster would get Torres, and maybe more, in a 1-for-1 deal.

Which is why I alluded to him.

La Russa said it was one of his biggest regrets.

Quite honestly I’m too lazy and it’s too hard to search the thread on my phone, so I’ll concede the point, but you are a lot higher on him than most people are.

yeah I remember that. Can’t miss pitcher. Lots of people saying we got a bad deal on a worn out or washed up Rolen.

I’m coming around to the bird in the hand is worth two in the bush trade mentality. Mo has taught me that hanging on to upside too long also has a downside and missed opportunity to make the team better.

Eh, its overblown.

Smith's next 2 starts were good and he pitched very well in the playoffs as well. If he scrambled his shoulder in that outing, he wouldn't have made any more starts as effectively as he did.

I never understood that argument. He was sound going into that offseason, IMO. AMD when the time came to ramp back up for the 2002 season, he broke down. Happens to a lot of guys...

I just think in general it's probably best not to ride a pitcher's arm into the ground when they're developing.

I don't think a team needs to take the Nationals approach with Strasburg(which could have been ****ing avoided, but whatever).

Just lol

That game went to the 8th with the Cards having 1 run and 5 hits and the Reds having 0 runs and 0 hits. They end tied for hits at 5 and lose 2-1.

Man, this team is full of unlikeable one who sucks the peniss, but I’m not sure that I dislike anyone more than Bud ****ing Norris.

Holland coming back to his norms. Mo had better do some selling before the trade deadline. There is not a chance of a fan revolt for giving up on this season. Realistic fans anyway.

I wonder what Norris would think if Poncedeleon hazed him.

Of course they lose this ****ing game.