ChiefsPlanet - Royals *** Official Kansas City Royals @ San Francisco Giants World Series Game 4 Thread ***

Well, I believe my evidence is very strong.

Had Don Denkinger called out instead of safe, St. Louis would had most likely won the game. Instead, St. Louis lost it shit, and blew the game. The aftermath was in Game 7, St. Louis got their shit kicked in.

Had Steve Bartman didn't do a dumbass catching the ball, and if Alou would have caught that, the Cubs would have most likely been in the World Series. Instead, he ****s up the play, frustrated the Cubs/fans/players, etc, and the Marlins took advantage of "Oh, we got a lucky break". It definitely impacted the game. The aftermath, the Cubs lose Game 7.

I can go on and on and on, but I'll just say, momentum do exist in sports, either you agree with it or not.

That is not momentum.

cdcox

10-25-2014 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11052944)

well, it doesn't. Momentum is not a real thing in baseball.

Things like baseballs, players, and bats have mass and velocity. The product of mass and velocity is momentum. Therefore momentum exists in the sport of baseball.

Chiefs Pantalones

10-25-2014 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11052977)

tomorrow is all about Shields. Nothing more.

This. MadBum is an average pitcher when he gets little to no run support. Shields...get it, boy.

DeezNutz

10-25-2014 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11052979)

I'll clarify. The effect of "momentum", especially in the world series, is so small that it may as well not exist.

It might be more of a thing in the dog days of August.

I don't think it's affecting "effort" in the slightest bit. But the influence on confidence is huge.

And I appreciate the counter-argument to suggest that confidence has no effect on outcome, and this is wrong in baseball. Quantifiable? Again, probably not. Not sure how or what that metric would be.

Does it exist? Yes.

alnorth

10-25-2014 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 11052990)

Things like baseballs, players, and bats have mass and velocity. The product of mass and velocity is momentum. Therefore momentum exists in the sport of baseball.

ROFL true

Mav	10-25-2014 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 11052987)

That was just an excellent defense play. A double play to the left side with Dyson running is pretty much one hell of a play.

was that better than Dyson's catch?

I still cant believe that he caught that.

007	10-25-2014 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 11052985)

Maybe we can get more than 1 hot inning out of the bats too?

Unfortunately, the bats are the bats. They are streaky. The pitching has to keep us in the game. period.

ChiefsCountry

10-25-2014 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 11052996)

was that better than Dyson's catch?

I still cant believe that he caught that.

I think so. How many double plays do you see hit to the right side of the infield, especially to the first baseman. Its just unnatural type of play. You see way more diving catches in the outfield.

cdcox

10-25-2014 10:44 PM

Here's what the math says about team's getting hot:

"...my conclusion is there may be a very weak positive correlation between pairs of consecutive games, and less probably a weaker correlation with a length of three games, but certainly no correlation on a timescale of more than three games."

http://spiff.rit.edu/richmond/baseba...orr/delay.html

DeezNutz

10-25-2014 10:44 PM

This game has me feeling like the subject of Ice Cube's No Vaseline.

Kidd Lex

10-25-2014 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11052939)

The baseball experts around here all agree that it doesn't exist.

Starting to wonder if our resident expert ever played sports. I knew momentum existed when I was 12, and I pitched through college, and absolutely momentum exists in baseball in my opinion.

In my opinion momentum is at the heart of sports, an in tonight's game we all knew the momentum shifted out of our favor the moment they turned the dp on aoki.

Arguing momentum doesn't exists in baseball, and its akin to voodoo magic. I don't know man... :)

Molitoth

10-25-2014 10:46 PM

Momentum is directly tied to confidence, and confidence or lack-there-of can exist in anything.

alnorth

10-25-2014 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis (Post 11053009)

If your team has a lead and it suddenly becomes tied, are you suddenly going to be..... somehow.... magically.... worse than you would have if your team still had the lead?

No, you wouldn't. If things don't go well and you lose, you'll look back and think thats the time you lost the "momentum". If you score and win anyway, you are not going to go back and think "gee I thought there might be momentum at the time, but I was wrong".

Its confirmation bias. Its the same reason why people think they are unlucky or hit all the red lights. They don't remember when good unlikely things happen or when it was all green.

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