Good to see the name 'Steve Grogan". Watched many of his games at Kansas State. Guy was tough as nails and played on some terrible teams at KSU.

Saw him and Ottawa win the 71 KSHAA championship.

Yea, I'm old.

24 hours.

Every team drops balls. We had 3 drops in one possession last week.

We’re on the ****ing countdown now, boys!!

And the weather had something to do with it. It'll be a cleaner game tomorrow.

Mahomes has had a great year for a first year QB but this is kind of a pointless discussion because among the HOF caliber QB's who has

1) played in an era where it is this damn easy to pass throughout the entire league. -- receivers and Qb's more protected than ever and 16 game season instead of 14 in the distant past
2) inherited the keys to an offense with one of the best receiving cores in the NFL
3) been drafted and handed the keys by a very good playoff team the first year he is starting and a coach willing to throw the ball

Mahome's has been operating with a Ferrari(Hill) and a couple of BMWs on offense most of this year while many other legendary qb's didn't start off with much.

BELIEVE. BELIEVE. BELIEVE.

CHIEFS by 10+

Okay, I'll be returning to Pats Fans now to get hyped with my fellow fans but I will be back tomorrow to congratulate you guys if you win and I will return during any Pats/Chiefs games. You guys have been classy to me and appreciate it.

One more time: Good luck!

In the first half in a span of like 5 minutes, Conley, Robinson, Watkins, and Hill ALL had drops.

Funnily enough, I'm in kind of the same place. After last week, so much baggage is gone. I want them to win and I believe they'll win but they're also facing a team that has been to 8 straight AFCCG. It's gonna be epic.

Can we be friends?

The Faketriots have arrived...

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I don't know about all that, as long as they win.

Grogan played with some very good teams with the Patriots that he was a part of but also some bad teams as well. I just looked at his numbers at KSU....you must not be exaggerating at how terrible his teams were back then since in his early days with the Patriots, he actually put up some nice running numbers but at KSU he really didn't. He was pretty fast so any decent line in college, he should have been able to pick up some decent yards.

Grogan was super tough so it made Tony Eason look really bad in comparison. I still remember a play one year where the Patriots season was over without a first down on a 4th down scenario. Pass rush on Tony Eason and he ducks to protect himself so he survives the sack much better. Game over and from what I remember season over. Eason had that half of a second to see oncoming rush but not enough time to spot an open receiver. Grogan in that end of the year scenario would have just thrown the ball up for grabs even if there was just a 2% chance a Patriots player catches it for a first down.

Grogan played after suffering from a crazy amount of injuries. Almost won a Super Bowl with the Patriots in the 1970's but Patriots lost due to a very controversial roughing the passer called that even Raiders players admit was rarely called. Shell of himself from age/injuries vs the Bears in 86 Super Bowl.

PMII has had a great year for any QB....let alone in his 1st year. :spock: