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jd1020 05-05-2014 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10603827)
Calvin Johnson
Andre Johnson
AJ Green
Julio Jones
Brandon Marshall
Alshon Jeffrey
Josh Gordon
Larry Fitzgerald
Dez Bryant
Demaryius Thomas
Vincent Jackson

These guys all have the ability to dominate in the red zone, short, intermediate, or deep because of their size, strength, flexibility, focus, and great catch radius.

Small guys like Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace, who have all of the speed and quickness in the world, might as well not be on the field in the Red Zone. I'd rather have a slower Alshon Jeffrey/Brandon Marshall who can catch everything thrown their way over a tiny guy who would be virtually useless in the red zone and actually limits what you can do down there if they are on the field.

So you'd rather have another Bowe? Worked out well with Baldwin.

jd1020 05-05-2014 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10603822)

Lets not waste any time ****ing around Dorsey. Lets grab Janis in the first round. He's big, fast and has the 2nd highest speed score! Guaranteed lock to dominate!

planetdoc 05-05-2014 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10603872)
Lets not waste any time ****ing around Dorsey. Lets grab Janis in the first round. He's big, fast and has the 2nd highest speed score! Guaranteed lock to dominate!

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OldSchool 05-05-2014 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10603858)
So you'd rather have another Bowe? Worked out well with Baldwin.

How many successful WRs out there that were true #1 targets and stood under 5'10", which Brandin Cooks does, in the recent history of the NFL (past 30 years)? Only one I can think of is Steve Smith.

Wes Welker has always had someone better playing around him (Moss, Gronk, Hernandez, D. Thomas, J. Thomas)

Maybe Desean Jackson? He's too inconsistent to be a true #1, IMO. He's either big splash or long stretches of nothing in games. More of a specialist like Mike Wallace.

Now, tell my how many great WRs in the recent history (past 30 years) of the NFL stood at or over 6'1" (my cut off for the #1 WR minimum height)?

Take a guess at which list is a hell of a lot longer.:hmmm:

jd1020 05-05-2014 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10603938)
How many successful WRs out there that were true #1 targets and stood under 5'10", which Brandin Cooks does, in the recent history of the NFL (past 30 years)? Only one I can think of is Steve Smith.

Wes Welker has always had someone better playing around him (Moss, Gronk, Hernandez, D. Thomas, J. Thomas)

Maybe Desean Jackson? He's too inconsistent to be a true #1, IMO. He's either big splash or long stretches of nothing in games. More of a specialist like Mike Wallace.

Now, tell my how many great WRs in the recent history (past 30 years) of the NFL stood at or over 6'1" (my cut off for the #1 WR minimum height)?

Take a guess at which list is a hell of a lot longer.:hmmm:

Who the **** said Cooks was going to be a #1 target? He's a ****ing slot receiver. The Chiefs still have this big guy, maybe you've heard of him, Dwayne Bowe.

I realize, however, that they are a bunch of imbeciles on this board that refuse to believe a guy that put up #1 numbers with absolute shit throwing him the ball is a #1 WR, but this team needs a compliment to Bowe, not another ****ing Bowe. Can you imagine how unbearable it would be if the Chiefs had selected the under 6'1 receiver named Torrey Smith instead of Jonathan Baldwin? OH THE ****ING HORROR!!!!!!!

planetdoc 05-05-2014 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10604057)
Who the **** said Cooks was going to be a #1 target? He's a ****ing slot receiver. The Chiefs still have this big guy, maybe you've heard of him, Dwayne Bowe.

chiefs already have a bunch of guys that are best suited as slot receivers in AJ Jenkins, Avery, and the canadian dude.

Bowe will be 30 yrs old by the start of the season, and has a cap # of $12 million this yr, and $14 million in 2015. That is a lot for a guy with 673 regular season receiving yrds in 2013.

jd1020 05-05-2014 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10604079)
chiefs already have a bunch of guys that are best suited as slot receivers in AJ Jenkins, Avery, and the canadian dude.

You just named off a bunch of guys that are best suited on the bench.

And Bowe isn't going anywhere so you might as well get used to him being on the team.

planetdoc 05-05-2014 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10604082)
You just named off a bunch of guys that are best suited on the bench.

Avery and AJ Jenkins are not going anywhere for 2014 so you might as well get used to them. Its unlikely the chiefs will get better production at the wr position from a rookie in Reid's complicated offense.

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10604082)
And Bowe isn't going anywhere so you might as well get used to him being on the team.

Bowe wont go anywhere in 2014, but there is incentive (cap savings) to replace him in 2015 and beyond, if he continues to not live up to his contract.

Bowe will also be on the wrong side of 30, so the time is now to find and develop a #1 wr.

jd1020 05-05-2014 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10604113)
Avery and AJ Jenkins are not going anywhere for 2014 so you might as well get used to them. Its unlikely the chiefs will get better production at the wr position from a rookie in Reid's complicated offense.

You really think either will be lining up in the slot?

And ya, they are going to cut Bowe for that 3.5M savings... If I'm not mistaken Bowe is fully guaranteed for 2015.

planetdoc 05-05-2014 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10604116)
You really think either will be lining up in the slot?

I think Reid will put the best wr on the field and either of those guys could line up in the slot.

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10604116)
And ya, they are going to cut Bowe for that 3.5M savings...

chiefs not have much cap room in 2015 as well. That 3.5 million can go toward Houston, Berry, or Poe if Bowe is not living up to his contract.

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10604116)
If I'm not mistaken Bowe is fully guaranteed for 2015.


only 1.75 million of his 2015 pay is guaranteed
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planetdoc 05-07-2014 10:59 AM

The Big Promise of Brandin Cooks
(highlights of a puff piece)
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The smallest man in this year’s NFL draft just might be the most talented

There are other guys you watch where there are segments of the field they just aren’t going to be able to live in,” says NFL Network draft analyst and former pro scout Daniel Jeremiah. “The entire field is open to this guy. Courage is not a problem.” Cooks says his ideal NFL comparison is Steve Smith, an outside-the-numbers jump-ball winner undeterred by stature. He relishes traffic. He also happens to be the fastest receiver in this draft. Kiper has called him an “oh-so-slightly more athletic version of Tavon Austin,” who went eighth overall a year ago.

Winning the 40 was the combine triumph everyone knows about, but Cooks piled up smaller victories throughout his time in Indianapolis. “I’ve talked to different teams that interviewed him, and they were just blown away by how football smart he was,” Jeremiah says. At Oregon State’s pro day, Brennan heard the same reviews. Five different teams said he was the best interview they’d had.

OldSchool 05-07-2014 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10607083)
The Big Promise of Brandin Cooks
(highlights of a puff piece)

So he's going to be gone before our pick? Eh.

Ragged Robin 05-07-2014 06:54 PM

Still not sold on Cooks. He can be a weapon sure but not convinced as a true #1. Michael Irvin says you can cover the field ever which way but you can't cover a man vertically so.. be wary of little dude receivers. Last time I checked Avery still smokes him in the 40 and he's on the shorter side too at 5'11.

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10604116)
You really think either will be lining up in the slot

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10604192)
I think Reid will put the best wr on the field and either of those guys could line up in the slot.

Bowe was used extensively lining up or motioning into the slot for the last few games so they should be looking for a #1 who can play split end or flanker (preferably split end to replace Bowe in base personnel) in the draft, not another option in the slot.

jd1020 05-07-2014 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin (Post 10608391)
Still not sold on Cooks. He can be a weapon sure but not convinced as a true #1. Michael Irvin says you can cover the field ever which way but you can't cover a man vertically so.. be wary of little dude receivers. Last time I checked Avery still smokes him in the 40 and he's on the shorter side too at 5'11.

Good thing for the league that you don't often have the need to cover Avery as he voluntarily does that for you.

planetdoc 05-07-2014 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin (Post 10608391)
so they should be looking for a #1 who can play split end or flanker (preferably split end to replace Bowe in base personnel) in the draft, not another option in the slot.

agree.


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