This is my take:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racist
Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

Although I do not consider it, racist, in the abstract, or necessarily racist....certainly, one can make the argument, that since the wall would be targeting Mexicans, the motivation for building such a wall is inherently racist. Unless of course, you would build a wall on the Canadian border as well....or at a minimum take comparable measures to stop ALL illegal immigration, and not just Latino immigration.

Where did you ancestors come from (mostly)?

But Canadians aren't illegally crossing the border in droves on a daily basis. I guess it all comes down to whether you want the US to enforce immigration law or not. It's not really fair to immigrants trying to get in from other countries to allow Mexicans to come over and stay simply because of the geographic advantage they have.

My ancestors came from Russia/France in the 1900's.

I understand what you are saying, and agree to a point. If we block off the Mexican boder though.....the resourceful and determined ones will find away around an expensive investment by the U.S. And I'd be very surprised if illegal crossings didn't increase at the Canadian border as a result. What then? :shrug:

Russian/French.....cool. I was just curious because, for example, as a Irish-German I'm aware of many racist sorts policies and actions my ancestors faced. Unfortunately, it was part of the price they paid; but I just don't think it was right, obviously.

No, but Pakistanis and other middle easterners are crossing the Canadian border.

Just this week, a Canadian border crossing ring was busted. They dealt mostly in smuggling people from the ME.

It's not just about illegal workers. It's about secure borders. It does us no good to screen flights when someone can pay $1k to sneak across the border from another country.

I don't believe it's the slightest bit racist. People that charge as much are just trying to take advantage of the emotion that comes with those accusations. It's no more racist than putting a speed limit in a black neighborhood... sure it mostly affects blacks, but that's a by product of the law, not the intent.

we need to annex mexico.

Rob I will explain a little better but my positions are all National Security related and IMO that trumps most everything else.

1. Building a high tech fence and the US Military guarding the border will instantly stop 98% of illegal crossings and drug trafficking IMO. We need to stop the real problem which is the illegal crossings. IMO this should be the first priority because without it then the problem will always exist.

2. I believe we should stop all legal immigration because we can't handle the load we have now and we have no idea who is in this country or not. Until we have a better grasp shut down any immigration.

3. Basically what I am saying here is not actively have a policy to pursue and round up illegal immigrants unless they are wanted for crimes committed in the US. What I don't want and which is impossible is to go round up 12 million illegals and deport them. IMO that would wreck the economy. But at the same time if INS or police come across illegals then they need to deport them. IMO punishing small businesses is not the answer.

4. I agree with you and I am not totally sold on it but it could be a start.

5. This one really pisses me off. Not only do you and I and the rest of the country have to support dead beat losers who can't get a job but now we have to support Non-****ing Americans with my tax dollars. **** that shit. These illegals get better medical care than most Americans do and that is not right. Also from what I understand in CA if an illegal wants to go to college they can and don't have to pay out of state tuition but if I wanted to send my kid to college in CA then I would. Have ****ing messed up is that?

Draft all aliens and ship their asses to Iraq-solve two problems at once.

Give this some serious thought...
 

Gentlemen (and ladies)...

Banyon I started out paying new hires $8.50-$10 an hour to work but I had no takers from JoCo kids but the Hispanics loved what I payed which was alot more than some of the other restaurants in that area were starting out at.

I also had a couple of Hispanics that lived in KCK drive in and worked at the restaurant too.

IMO I feel that was reasonable pay rate.

I'll take 12,000 legal Mexicans before 1 legal frog.


Wow.

Dude, I am so sorry...

It is a different world after 9/11 so to say we need opened borders is borderline treason.

I guess the 'Think it through' part of my post escaped you...

'Open Immigration' as practiced in the 1900s does not equate to 'open borders.' It is not my job to educate you ~ go look it up yourself.

It is posts like this that make me realize that the terrorists are winning. People are so scared that they will sacrifice the things that made our country great on the alter of security.

Luz
it's too bad our founding fathers weren't faced with the issues of safety over liberty and enterprise... Oh, wait a minute...

Luzap,

I think the difference here is that we're discussing illegal immigration and you're comparing it to legal immigration... The big key being that we have control over legal immigrants, i.e. background checks, etc. whereas with illegal immigration we really don't know who is in the country.

Exactly.

But he agrees...

ChiefsLV,

Our current immigration policies are the cause of the illegal immigration problem.

Luz
isn't there an ancient chineese symbol of a serpent eating it's tail???...