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Saccopoo 04-07-2009 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5649084)
Just understand that "legit" and "good" are two completely different things.

And Beanie Wells at #3? I want some of what you're smoking.
No you don't. You couldn't handle it.

Besides, I'm just trying to get beyond the Curry vs. Sanchez thing. You wanted people to open up to the realm of possibilities, no? If Johnson is gone, you've got to think about Wells being a possibility, even if it is remote.

Mecca 04-07-2009 04:03 PM
I can't believe we are still having an argument about LB value, either you understand it or you don't, it's like RB value or interior offensive line or TE value.

philfree 04-07-2009 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5649064)
If you want to go just by THIS draft and ignore history, what is the drop-off between Curry and say, Rey Rey?

Compare that to the drop-off between Stafford/Sanchez and Josh Freeman.

There's far more value in Sanchez than Curry, no matter how you slice it.
Sanchez is such a big risk though. If the Chiefs were to draft Sanchez I'd be o.k. with it because we have a guy who can start while he learns for a year or two. And also because the rate that QBs get injured in the NFL is significant. Cassel could leave the field the same way Brady did last year. 1st half of the 1st game of the season. Still Sanchez is a risky pick at #3.

PhilFree:arrow:

bdeg 04-07-2009 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5649112)
No you don't. You couldn't handle it.

Besides, I'm just trying to get beyond the Curry vs. Sanchez thing. You wanted people to open up to the realm of possibilities, no? If Johnson is gone, you've got to think about Wells being a possibility, even if it is remote.
Unless you're looking for an even bigger argument about positional value, no thanks on Wells.

I'd rather use Charles and a bruiser picked up much later.

Saccopoo 04-07-2009 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5649088)
Charlie Casserly also thought Troy Williamson was going to be a superstar lets fathom that.
And it was about a 50/50 split with GM's and coaches and the like when they were considering Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning on their draft boards.

The one thing that is a known fact about the draft is that it is a crap shoot.

The Franchise 04-07-2009 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5649120)
And it was about a 50/50 split with GM's and coaches and the like when they were considering Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning on their draft boards.

The one thing that is a known fact about the draft is that it is a crap shoot.
So then how the hell do you know that Aaron Curry is the safest player in the draft?

OnTheWarpath15 04-07-2009 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5649093)
Wait....what? So having an all-pro ILB is going to win you a championship?

Let's take a look back at the Superbowl champs....and who played ILB for them....shall we.

2008 - Steelers - Larry Foote (4th round) and Lawrence Timmons (1st round)
2007 - Giants - Antonio Pierce (UDFA)
2006 - Colts - Gary Brackett (UDFA)
2005 - Patriots - Tedy Bruschi (3rd round) and Roman Phifer (2nd round)
2004 - Patriots - Tedy Bruschi (3rd round) and Roman Phifer (2nd round)
2003 - Buccaneers - Shelton Quarles (UDFA)
2002 - Patriots - Tedy Bruschi (3rd round)
2001 - Ravens - Ray Lewis (1st round)
2000 - Rams - London Fletcher (UDFA)
1999 - Broncos - Glenn Cadrez (6th round)
1998 - Broncos - Allen Aldridge (2nd round)

OMG!

Look at all those Top 5 picks at ML...oh, wait.

Look all those Top 10 picks at M...shit.

Hey! Look! There's 2 first round picks on the list!...goddammit.

And 4 UDFA's, a 6th round guy, a 4th round guy, a 3rd round guy and two 2nd round guys.

****.

OnTheWarpath15 04-07-2009 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5649109)
You called me disingenuous for only posting ten years of OLB drafts, when I never saw mention of a required 20 year window. So that I wouldn't be considered "disingenuous," I posted the other ten years.

And I wasn't responding to Phil. I was responding to you. You said top three. Now you want top five.



So, to answer your question, yes, I definitely know what "disingenuous" means. Question is, do you?
Uh, I called you disingenuous for not only moving the goalposts, put claiming I said something I didn't say to try to aide your argument.

Pretty ****ing stupid thing to do when what I DID say is right here in black and white.

Regardless, Top 3 OR Top 5, there's more OLB's taken in the past 20 years in both than there have been ILB's.

For good reason, which you and your merry band of Curry-or-busters fail to acknowledge.

bdeg 04-07-2009 04:09 PM
Is that right, was Timmons at ILB?

Mecca 04-07-2009 04:10 PM
No James Farrior was, Timmons rotated in and out he in actuality wasn't a starter even though he got alot of play time.

philfree 04-07-2009 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5649115)
I can't believe we are still having an argument about LB value, either you understand it or you don't, it's like RB value or interior offensive line or TE value.
For me it's not about LB value it's about the value of Curry compared to the other prospects in this draft. It's about this draft. And there is a point where PV will take back seat to the BPA.

PhilFree:arrow:

OnTheWarpath15 04-07-2009 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5649124)
So then how the hell do you know that Aaron Curry is the safest player in the draft?
http://i41.tinypic.com/2qbvck6.jpg

Saccopoo 04-07-2009 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5649093)
Wait....what? So having an all-pro ILB is going to win you a championship?

Let's take a look back at the Superbowl champs....and who played ILB for them....shall we.

2008 - Steelers - Larry Foote (4th round) and Lawrence Timmons (1st round)
2007 - Giants - Antonio Pierce (UDFA)
2006 - Colts - Gary Brackett (UDFA)
2005 - Patriots - Tedy Bruschi (3rd round) and Roman Phifer (2nd round)
2004 - Patriots - Tedy Bruschi (3rd round) and Roman Phifer (2nd round)
2003 - Buccaneers - Shelton Quarles (UDFA)
2002 - Patriots - Tedy Bruschi (3rd round)
2001 - Ravens - Ray Lewis (1st round)
2000 - Rams - London Fletcher (UDFA)
1999 - Broncos - Glenn Cadrez (6th round)
1998 - Broncos - Allen Aldridge (2nd round)
Wasn't Farrior playing the ILB spot for the Steelers? And if he was (just a hunch), I think he was a first round draft pick, no?

OnTheWarpath15 04-07-2009 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5649144)
Wasn't Farrior playing the ILB spot for the Steelers? And if he was (just a hunch), I think he was a first round draft pick, no?
So, you swap out a 1st round pick for another 1st round pick.

Not sure how this changes anything.

Mecca 04-07-2009 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5649137)
For me it's not about LB value it's about the value of Curry compared to the other prospects in this draft. It's about this draft. And there is a point where PV will take back seat to the BPA.

PhilFree:arrow:
Aaron Curry being our highest paid defender is like Tony Gonzalez being our highest paid offensive player.


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