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Mecca 04-12-2009 07:16 PM
Constantly saying things like "I want to be traded" "if they don't do this and this I don't want to play here" is whiny ass bitch stuff.

Crush 04-12-2009 07:19 PM
We are not competing this upcoming year. We are trying to build a championship football team. A whiny and bitchy Tony Gonzalez is a luxury that we can no longer afford.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-12-2009 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5663930)
Constantly saying things like "I want to be traded" "if they don't do this and this I don't want to play here" is whiny ass bitch stuff.
This. I've defended the living **** out of that guy, but his latest "Wanna' Trade Shuffle" puts the lid on THAT.

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5663923)
You'll never be able to win without Mark Sanchez man.
I'd trade Tony for Mark in a New York ****ing Minute.

I'd trade you for a crate of bananas and some Hustler 'sticky pages'.:)

Chiefshrink 04-12-2009 07:22 PM
We'll get our 2nd pick back regardless if we trade Tony IMO on draft day. We will probably trade down and get that 2nd back and then see if we can get more from the Falcons like an extra pick or two. If I'm Pioli I wait til draft day and up the urgency. It is the Falcons who approached us and we do not have any urgent need to move him like the Falcons think we do.

pr_capone 04-12-2009 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5663928)
Agreed BUT he's made of glass.

a 2nd and a player (of some value) and fine...but like I said, while a 2nd is a strong offer...it doesn't exactly blow me away...and Tony Gonzalez has value in the fact that we're trying to develop a young QB...whether it be Cassel, Thigpen or even Sanchez...
It could be the fact that I have tried to erase last season from my mind but I don't recall him being injured while wearing a Chiefs Uni. Did he miss any games for us?

I do know he had a nasty wrist break in college but one injury does not a career define. :dunno:

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Chiefnj2 04-12-2009 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cormac (Post 5663927)
I can't believe all this "Tony is a whiny ass bitch" stuff.

Who cares if he demands excellence?!?! If that makes him a whiny ass bitch, then we're all whiny ass bitches on this board. Do you people long for the "we're OK with losing" attitudes of Eric Hicks???

The difference between TG and most other players is that he has earned the right to complain, and even to ask for a trade if he sees fit. The important thing is that when he doesn't get traded, what does he do? He laces up the next week and PLAYS HIS ASS OFF every play. That's the kind of guy I want on my team. A 2nd round pick might be good value to the drafturbators, but I'd rather keep him.

What will a 2nd round pick do? We have a new QB and a new scheme coming in. TG could be invaluable in getting this thing up and running the right way. We have a lot of picks, and we have lots of youth already. Herm's biggest mistake (after choosing football coach as a career) was to jettison virtually all vets and leave the team rudderless. Pioli seems to be addressing that.
+1

tk13 04-12-2009 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5663911)
Well who wouldn't if you had someone that talented on your roster? But it's definitely not a necessity.
Well no it's not a "necessity", but it sure doesn't hurt to have the greatest TE of all time out there drawing triple teams in the red zone. And I'm all for flipping old guys for draft picks, but this is a more careful situation because this is a HOF caliber player that is playing at a high level and draws about as much defense respect as any pass catcher in the league.

I think we can win without him. But I'd definitely try to hold out for a 2nd and a 5th or something. I'd rather get multiple picks out of it.

OnTheWarpath15 04-12-2009 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5663911)
Well who wouldn't if you had someone that talented on your roster? But it's definitely not a necessity.
As the TE stats for the last 10 SB winners show.

An average of 38 catches, 423 yards and 4 TD's over the course of the season.

Crush 04-12-2009 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cormac (Post 5663927)
I can't believe all this "Tony is a whiny ass bitch" stuff.

Who cares if he demands excellence?!?! If that makes him a whiny ass bitch, then we're all whiny ass bitches on this board. Do you people long for the "we're OK with losing" attitudes of Eric Hicks???

The difference between TG and most other players is that he has earned the right to complain, and even to ask for a trade if he sees fit. The important thing is that when he doesn't get traded, what does he do? He laces up the next week and PLAYS HIS ASS OFF every play. That's the kind of guy I want on my team. A 2nd round pick might be good value to the drafturbators, but I'd rather keep him.

What will a 2nd round pick do? We have a new QB and a new scheme coming in. TG could be invaluable in getting this thing up and running the right way. We have a lot of picks, and we have lots of youth already. Herm's biggest mistake (after choosing football coach as a career) was to jettison virtually all vets and leave the team rudderless. Pioli seems to be addressing that.

Yes and, as a fan, I have a right to call him on his whining and bitching. You know what else? Pioli has the right to ship his whiny-ass bitch out of town for a 2nd round pick.

Also, Tony is only going to be with us for one to two more years. A 2nd Round pick has better potential than an aging TE.

Furthermore, we are not competing next year, so losing Tony would not really matter at this point.

DeezNutz 04-12-2009 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5663943)
Well no it's not a "necessity", but it sure doesn't hurt to have the greatest TE of all time out there drawing triple teams in the red zone. And I'm all for flipping old guys for draft picks, but this is a more careful situation because this is a HOF caliber player that is playing at a high level and draws about as much defense respect as any pass catcher in the league.

I think we can win without him. But I'd definitely try to hold out for a 2nd and a 5th or something. I'd rather get multiple picks out of it.
I don't disagree with any of this, but I'm actually shocked someone would give a 2nd at this point because of Gonzo's penchant for reminding everyone that he's about to retire in a year or two.

Granted, there's no reason to think he won't still play at a high level, but a second rounder for a one or two-year player seems a steep price.

If it were my team, it would definitely have to be a situation of Gonzo being the final piece for this to make any sense whatsoever.

Cormac 04-12-2009 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5663930)
Constantly saying things like "I want to be traded" "if they don't do this and this I don't want to play here" is whiny ass bitch stuff.
exaggerate much?

tk13 04-12-2009 07:27 PM
I'd agree he's probably complained too much... but that said, this team has sucked, and his whining has not affected his on-field play one bit. It's not like a TO situation. There are few people in the game of football that you'd rather have out there in the red zone than TG.

And that said, I think he's got 2 more years in him easy, and I think it's obvious by this point that we're trying to be a contender within 2 years. That's how the NFL works nowadays anyway, Pioli's two main buddies, Parcells and Dimitroff turned Miami and Atlanta from total garbage to playoff teams in one year. We aren't going to a Super Bowl but it's very clear this front office isn't gonna be happy with a comfortable 2 win rebuilding season.

Cormac 04-12-2009 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5663942)
+1
Cheers

OnTheWarpath15 04-12-2009 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cormac (Post 5663962)
exaggerate much?
What is there to exaggerate?

He's said he wants to be traded countless times over the past 2 years.

Grant him his wish, already.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-12-2009 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5663967)
What is there to exaggerate?

He's said he wants to be traded countless times over the past 2 years.

Grant him his wish, already.
QFT.


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