Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6008555)

Here's another scenario. As most scouts predicted, Sanchez was underprepared for the NFL. Like most first-year rookie QBs thrown immediately into the starting position, he struggles as he learns to read complex blitz packages (which he has not yet seen in the preseason).

After the third game, the boo birds come out. And in New York, it's not just the fans, it's the media, the national TV coverage, everything. His face is plastered on every NY newspaper and he's surrounded by cameras that insult him for not being a star right away. How do you respond to that? In Leaf's case, you get angry and you stop listening to your coaches. In Harrington's case, your confidence gets rattled and you never recover. Or in Matt Leinart's case, you start living off your unearned money and don't commit to the game as you should. Or in Jamarcus Russel's case, you learn that the work ethic was never there. Or in Leftwich and Alex Smith's case, you learn that their skills don't translate on the NFL level.

These are things that New York will learn in a hurry about their QB.

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6008559)

Yeah, the New York fans can be impulsive and irrational, but their entire football community is not defined by the loud-mouthed goons who go to Radio City every year.
The Jets fans by and large know what they've got. And similar to KC fans, they now understand that quick fixes like Favre aren't going to get it done. Ryan's running a different kind of show with the media up there; he's invited them in. He's had the main movers and shakers of the local press come in and watch film with him as he explains what happened, why it happened, and if it's bad; what he'll do to make it right.

They're going through as big a transition as we are, and the old-timers who've led the call for heads to roll are now willing to hear the franchise out and exercise some patience.

Originally Posted by Pooch (Post 6006718)

All I keep hearing about is what draft picks can we get for him. Who cares, we draft like crap anyways!! Look at how long it has been since we drafted a pro bowler. Everyone acts like a draft pick is a sure thing. I am tired of getting all hyped up for the draft and then get nothing out of it. Thigpen earned a spot, maybe a chance to become better maybe not. But what does it hurt to keep him.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6007561)

Working backwards:

The odds aren't in his favor.

Second, I underestimated your ability to take past posts of mine and apply them to this conversation.

I would have worded my earlier statement better by saying that both Manning's, and Roethlisberger have PROVEN they deserve the franchise QB status. (I'm leaving Brady out of the conversation based on the fact that he was a needle in a haystack - let's talk about guys that were drafted or signed with the intention of being a franchise QB)

So, that leaves the following - guys that I consider franchise QB's based on their draft status, physical tools and intangibles - guys that were drafted with the expectation of being "the guy" for 10+ years and leading their team to a championship or more.

Rivers, Cutler, Ryan, Rodgers, Flacco, Stafford, Sanchez.

They just haven't proven it yet, but have many years to do so. They are all still young.

NcNabb was drafted to be a franchise QB, but as we've seen, can't win the big game. That drops him out of the conversation in my book.

Other than that, Quinn was the only other guy drafted with the intention of getting a franchise QB, and the jury is still out - though I think he'll be solid, but not capable of putting a tema on his back and winning a SB.

I'm not sure how anyone can look at the Cassel situation and say he was just brought in to be "a guy". This was the guy they wanted, and they passed up others to do so - not to mention paid him what they would have paid a franchise QB in the draft.

The rest of the guys I listed can stay as already described - none of them were drafted or signed thinking they would be a franchise QB, IMO.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6007798)

Wow, talk about disingenous.

Did Trent Dilfer play to the level expected of a franchise QB his entire career?

Or did he fall ass-backwards into the perfect spot, with the perfect team?

Had Peyton Manning played like Neil Lomax for 8 seasons, and then won a SB, we wouldn't be calling him a franchise QB either.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6007935)

If that doesn't explain what a ****ing reerun you are, nothing will.

The guy was only a SBMVP before getting to Arizona...

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6008413)

Emmitt Smith, hands down.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6007935)

If that doesn't explain what a ****ing reerun you are, nothing will.

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6007905)

None of that shit matters because he's a former Patriot. A product the Great Piolichick. A God among men from New England.

New England; where micro-brews flow through the rivers and streams so fresh and clean, you can dip your bottle in and taste Ambrosia. Where the sewers smell like a Lilly patch, and the turds transform in to chocolate bars as the piss becomes lemonade!
Where $100.00 bills grow from every chloroform-based vegetation as Prime Rib is hand delivered to your front door by Playboy Bunnies!
And where the Greatest Quarterbacks you'll ever be lucky enough to have pawned-off on you, you worthless, ****ing non-New England-ite, shall NEVER be questioned, only Praised and Worshiped.

You infidel.

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 6009087)

Are you done being a dick?

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6008708)

has eli manning played at a franchise level his WHOLE career?