Maybe its bc they were rookies. And Cottam played quite abit actually.

hey flowers charles carr leggett dorsey, they all played as rooks no? herm wasnt scared to play rookies why didnt those play? morgan cant see the field through two coaches. why?

The stats are way skewed for those games. If you recall we doubled our point output in the 4th game against Denver where we put up an Arena League 33 points on the board. After the bye we came down to Earth again and got shut out 34-0 by Carolina. They switched to the spread two weeks later after only scoring 10 against Tennessee in which Huard and Croyle were both hurt. Pre-spread we scored 12.5 points per game.

So answer this? Does the new GM and HC have to follow the previous GM and HC's direction because of the draft picks?

Or do they build it the way they want and take the losses up front?

Just curious?

oh yeah cottam of the great 7 catches in 16 games? and the guy who doesnt know what blocking is?

Playing behind freaking Tony Gonzalez. He showed some flashes last year of being a pretty good starter in the NFL.

[QUOTE=chiefzilla1501;6146196]Much as people hate Herm, he fell on his sword for the good of the franchise.

/QUOTE]

I'm not a Herm Lover or hater, but I agree with this statement. It did take some guts to do what he did and he ended up paying a heavy price for it.

No, you took shit because of your position that he should have been retained beyond last season because he had just started the rebuild.

Hell, I agree that he finally did what needed to be done, but he's a terrible ****ing coach, and there's no way in hell that I wanted him here from the start, much less another year or two.

Let's rebuild with a coach who actually has a chance to grow with the team.

I think the chiefs need to look at it this way: The nucleus of this team is everything but the O-Line. Nobody's job in that unit should be safe. If you get an upgrade at any of those positions I think you take it (even if it means moving players like Albert or Waters to another position or off the team). There is a severe lack of talent on that line. It's so bad in my opinion that there's really no way to properly evaluate the rest of the entire team. If they get the o-line in order I think we'll find that most of the other units are at least NFL-average.

It all starts up front. DL has gotta alot of attention, time to turn that to OLine....Rome wasn't built in a day.

Bullshit revisionist history.

It's been well publicized that Herm wanted to rebuild a year earlier.

And it's been pretty much well publicized that Herm pushed for it and Carl Peterson refused, and that the relationship soured, and that Herm had to go all the way to Clark Hunt to finally get it done.

What the **** is the head coach supposed to do when your GM, the guy who signs off on all the decisions for the team, refuses to let you do what you think you need to do?

And yes, opening up a can of worms because I know milkman is going to react to this, but I still don't understand why people think Gunther and Solari was Herm's call. We know now that Gunther and Herm never saw eye-to-eye on the defense. We saw in year 2 that Herm hated Solari's offense so much that he forced Solari to scrap it in favor of a more conservative scheme. You can either choose to believe that Herm wanted to hire two coaches who ran schemes that he hated, or you can come to the logical conclusion that the only reason Solari and Gun were kept on Herm's coaching staff was because of Peterson's long history of being overly loyal to coaches within his network. After all, how do you think Herm was hired? It wasn't through an open interview process. Herm was hired because he was in Peterson's rolodex. Just like Gunther and Solari.

I'm not afraid to still stand by that position. But you're oversimplifying it. I said that Herm should have been kept on board because I expected Carl Peterson to be on the last year of his contract, and that if Herm didn't put up results in 2009, he should have been fired alongside Peterson. The minute Peterson was fired, I said that Herm was probably going to be fired and it was a shitty, but correct decision to make.

As much as people hate Herm, he got a really shitty deal. He was basically promised that he could blow up the franchise, and the front office would be patient enough to let him go through a rough 2008 season because it was something that had to be done. It was the right business decision, but it's pretty shitty when a coach is the victim of a broken promise.

That makes me hate herm less. But he did preside over the collapsing of the Chiefs. I'm not real sure Edwards feels real bad tho. Trying to fix the mess you made under the eye of a new management is hard enough but I bet Pioli is a MAJOR hard ass to work for. In a way I think Pioli did Edwards a favor by letting him go.

McDaniels and Xanders didn't inherit a 100 million dollar DL like the new KC brass did either.

Or land a new franchise QB in the offseason.

just kidding Goatcheese ........ bump - this was an interesting thread to read through