I agree. Which is why i think we need a new QB and D. The O-line got better, Charles also made them look much better than they were. But i wouldn't call the O-line the weakest spot on the team anymore. Especially with the young talent we already have.

The QB play is awful.

And we KNOW what's wrong with the D. Opposed to the O, in which "this could've been causing this to look worse, or that made this player look worse/better," blah blah blah.

With the D, we KNOW what's wrong. So lets fix that first.

I have a feeling they like Bulaga so if they did take an OT high it would be him IMO

I wish Saccocrap would have just watched every Chiefs game this year instead of just looking over the stats after the season. Hes such a dumbass when it comes to the draft and just football in general.

I disagree with his take on the Okung pick.. but he seems to do his research and usually knows his shit so I have to give him some credit

And see...you got your wish even before you butchered the English language once again - as you do in every single post.

I did watch every single Chiefs game this past season. Twice. And more often than not, thrice. (Some of us actually got the NFL Ticket (like I do every single year), which allows a person to watch every game.)

I would, I think the middle of both lines are the weakest spots on the roster at the moment. They need a nose tackle, and they need a center, both in the worst way. Neither of those are positions I'd address early in the draft, however.I would say the QB play was inconsistent. Either way, no position in team sports is more dependent upon the players around him; I just can't look at it in a bubble, not when there are obvious problems with the line, not when there are obvious problems at receiver and tight end. The only reliable thing the Chiefs offense had in 2009 was Jamaal Charles, and it took them half the year to figure that out. I said this before the year started, and I said it after the year ended: it reminds me of Trent Green in 2001. Half the offense they put on the field last year were players cut from other teams, several cut during the season. I'm not going to tell anybody their opinion is wrong, but speaking for myself, I will say that I can't fairly gauge the performance of Cassel last year, because, simply put, that was the worst offensive roster I have ever seen, and I don't believe anybody could succeed under those circumstances. Not Cassel, not Manning, not Joe frikkin' Montana.

Just how I see it. And I should note that that's not a statement in support of Cassel. I have no idea if he can transform from Trent Green 2001 to Trent Green 2002-2005. I just don't know what he is.How about they do something crazy and select the best player on the board. The Chiefs have plenty of holes to fill, I don't think they need to go out of their way to limit their additions to one side of the ball. If that's Berry, great. If that's McClain, great. If they think it's Bryant or Spiller, great.

Anything but a LT who's no better than the starter they already have...

10 to 1 that "best player on the board" is Okung.

What truly befuddles me is that it's painfully obvious to most people in the football industry who are objectively analyzing the Chiefs seem to have the general consensus that they desperately need improved play from the LT position. And then you got this board who thinks it's fine and dandy to keep the entire turnstile operation going with the current players because they have the ultimate in trust and undying loyalty for a Carl/Herm project pick at LT.

I mean, they could have picked Curry last year but there was this collective meltdown because we needed to give DJ another year to prove himself and god forbid that you would ever consider taking a linebacker with a top five pick (unless you happened to watch the recent National Championship game and heard Brent Musberger say that McClain watched game film, which then made it okay to draft a MLB with a top five pick). Now it's the we can't draft a LT or DE because we had Carl/Herm take a DT and a OG two drafts ago, and while they haven't panned out performance wise, are playing out of position and are having a negative impact on the overall performance of the Chiefs because of it, we can't possibly look at upgrading either spot because, well, we trust Carl/Herm's talent evaluation process so we are willing to let these players substandard performance slide until it becomes so painfully obvious that they are not producing on the field. Well, other than the purported performance explosion of Branden Albert in the second half of the season (even though he was thoroughly owned in the Buffalo game - and we all know how good Buffalo is), and that Dorsey got a sack against Denver, so he's got to be improving, right? (Albeit his only sack of the entire season.)

Well, I'm here to tell you - **** 'em. They are out of position, playing in the wrong scheme and need to be traded (Dorsey) or reassigned (Albert).

In fact, I wouldn't be too surprised if the Chiefs draft board top ten looked like:

1. Ndamukong Suh
2. Russ Okung
3. Joe Haden
4. Dan Williams
5. Dez Bryant
5. Rolando McClain
6. Eric Berry
7. Jared Odrick
8. Sergio Kindle
9. Jonathan Dwyer
10. Charles Brown

If they keep to their (my) board above, I think that they will be fine with their first round selection.

If their board even remotely resembles that, Clark should fire everyone from Pioli to the ****ing parking attendants.

Then again, it would explain why this organization hasn't won a playoff game in almost two decades.

Why would Suh be on their board but not McCoy? Odrick at #7??

Anybody who's at all familiar with the team knows that Albert was asked to lose a significant amount of weight, was coached with a focus on technique instead of relying on strength and weight, was put into a new blocking scheme in a new offensive system that was implemented the week before the season started (as a 2nd year pro), and eventually made major strides over the second half of the season.

Unfortunately most people in the football industry who are "objectively analyzing the Chiefs" don't have any clue about any of that.

Because Suh and Odrick are prototype five tech players where McCoy is a pure three technique guy. (I wouldn't be surprised if a team like the Lions have McCoy rated over Suh on their board.)

If Odrick is sitting there when the Chiefs pick in the second round, I can pretty much guarantee you that they would pick him. I don't think he'll be there though. I wouldn't put it past McDaniels/Xander to pick him with Denvers first round selection.

I'm sure they do and they are able to understand that Albert is in the wrong system while playing at LT. He's not a zone blocking type of player (at least on the edge), and he doesn't have, or hasn't shown to this point, the reaction time to be effective in that type of scheme. I think he's got enough athleticism at his size to be effective in the phonebooth in Haley's scheme, but not on the edge.

Maybe it's the fear of irony that prevents people from seeing this - that we've given the Raiders so much shit for moving Gallery over, that people around here have called Leonard Davis a bust because he ended up being a Pro Bowl guard instead of a tackle.

But I'll tell you what - I'd rather have an All-Pro guard than a turnstile LT.

They're not objectively analyzing, they're cursorily analyzing. They see that Matt Cassel has been sacked a lot and think that means the Chiefs need better protection on the blindside, when it should be pretty obvious that Matt Cassel takes a lot of sacks no matter how good the protection is. A deeper look at the team reveals that the middle of the defense is wet toilet paper and is the team's biggest problem by far.

FWIW

OTs Okung, Williams have work to do

Thursday, January 21, 2010 | Print Entry


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Offensive tackle, particularly left tackles, are among the most highly-valued prospects in the NFL draft, and now that the Senior Bowl has come and gone without any of our top-ranked tackles taking part it's time to take stock of where they stand.



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Russell Okung's decision to skip the Senior Bowl could be costly.
We've had some shuffling in our rankings, and Russell Okung (Oklahoma State) and Trent Williams (Oklahoma) opting out of the Senior Bowl was a missed opportunity for the two tackles on our board who are sliding a bit. None of the tackles in attendance in Mobile played well enough to surpass Okung or Williams but good showings there certainly would have firmed up their standing.



Part of the reason their stock has taken a hit is the emergence of juniors Anthony Davis (Rutgers) and Bryan Bulaga, but it's questions raised during our film study that have played the biggest role in Okung and Williams slipping down the board a bit.



Okung gets good hand placement and shows sound footwork once he's engaged with defenders, so he rarely gets beaten once he gets his hands on the defender in either the running game or the passing game. There's also a lot to like about his tenacity and he can be seen on film pancaking defensive ends and linebackers.



However, there is reason to believe Okung won't be as effective in pass protection in the NFL. First, he is not as strong at the top of his pass set as teams would like because at 6-foot-8 he struggles to sink his hips. More importantly, Okung does not appear to have elite foot speed so his footwork will always have to be sound. He also lacks the agility and flexibility Davis has shown.



Holding up against elite NFL edge rushers is an even bigger concern for Williams, who moved from right to left tackle prior to the 2009 season and never looked truly comfortable there. He had problems preventing speed rushers from turning the corner because he is a split second slow getting out of his stance and he doesn't always kick out wide enough to force pass rusher to go through him rather than right around him.



We still think Williams has what to takes to start at right tackle in the NFL but he will have to be protected at times within blocking schemes because he won't always match up well. He is not a franchise left tackle by any means, while Bulaga has shown the quickness in his sets to hold his own on the left side in the NFL.



Davis and Bulaga are virtual first-round locks thanks to their overall skill sets, but a potential fall from the top 10 to the later portion of the first round could cost Okung a whole lot of money. As for Williams, he could still come off the board in the first round because teams are so intent on finding quality tackles, but we see him as an early-second rounder at this point.


Also keep an eye on Maryland's Bruce Campbell and USC's Charles Brown, both of whom are expected to show well at the combine and in individual workouts and could challenge Williams for the No. 4 spot among offensive tackles.
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PhilFree:arrow:

Unfortunately for your argument, he was not a "turnstile LT", not for most of the second half of the year.