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aturnis 01-26-2012 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8327756)
Konz, as a junior, is, by far and away, the best center in this draft. He is the best true center prospect since Alex Mack. That is elite.

DeCastro is a guard that played in front of one of the best college quarterbacks of recent memory. A guard.

When you consider that Jon Martin, Dave DeCastro, Colby Fleener are all being talked about as "best at their position" when playing in front of a guy like Luck, one has to consider if it's Luck that's really, really good, or is it all these other guys that are "elite" level players.

Case in point, remember when all those guys from North Carolina State's defensive line got drafted in the first couple of rounds a couple of years back? Yeah, those same guys that played on the same line with Mario Williams.

Oh, yeah. Also, for Chief fans, remember that Ryan Sims guy, who tore it up at the Senior Bowl and who played next to some guy named Julius Peppers?

Exactly.

Maybe it's Martin, Fleener and DeCastro that are "elite" and they've been carrying Luck for the past couple of seasons.

Yeah, that's it...Luck is just been riding on these guys coat tails and he's completely overrated.

And I'm not saying that DeCastro sucks. He's had a very nice career. It's just that it's hard to evaluate a guy like that when you have a guy like Luck as a quarterback.

As well, I'm curious why he never got moved over to the center position in college when that's what he played in high school and was so highly rated for at that stage.

Try watching him. Sure his number COULD look good b/c Luck played so well he minimized the defensive lines effectiveness. If you watch, and see how he handles himself, how he reacts, and how he run blocks, it's pretty self evident he's very, very good.

Saccopoo 01-26-2012 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8329325)
Try watching him. Sure his number COULD look good b/c Luck played so well he minimized the defensive lines effectiveness. If you watch, and see how he handles himself, how he reacts, and how he run blocks, it's pretty self evident he's very, very good.

I'm not saying he isn't. I think he's better than Martin. I think he's the third best offensive line guy in this draft behind Kalil and Konz.

However, with the drafting of Hudson last season and Asamoah the year before, drafting another guard, especially in the first round, is kinda silly. I guess one could make the argument that Asamoah struggled a lot this past season, which he did, but he flashed as well. I think he'll turn it up this next season. Instead of drafting another guard and converting one of the current ones on roster to center, it seems to make more sense to take the elite level center and keep the two young, talented guards at the guard position.

O.city 01-27-2012 02:45 PM

Well here is my mock. I've been doing a little researching. This is depending on what we do in free agency. I'm assuming we bring in a healthy Peyton Manning to play qb and Paul Soliai to play NT.


Round 1: Trade back to the early 20's, picking up an extra 2 rounder. If no one wants to trade with us, I'd take Richardson if he is sitting there. Anyway
Peter Konz in the first
Round 2a: Vontaze Burfict. He will fall out of hte first round, Pioli makes the value pick.
2b: Mike Adams, another solid pick if he falls that far. If not, it's Sanders from Florida State.
3: Chris Polk
4: Michael Egnew.
5: George Illoko
6:Joe Adams
7: Nick Provo

BossChief 01-27-2012 06:52 PM

How someone can read sac say that Albert wasn't any good and how Asamoah struggled... and STILL respect any of his takes on offensive linemen is beyond me.

He is the new, and not as good, Mecca....but the absolute true fan version of such.

O.city 01-27-2012 06:59 PM

BossChief, what do you think of my mock.

BossChief 01-27-2012 11:58 PM

I think that if we could move down that far, we would be shooting for a future first or more than just a second rounder. Depends on who falls to us, as well. Not sure that's gonna happen.

If the scenario played out like that, our line would likely develop into one of the better units in the league and would be very young.

Normally, I would be against that much more investment in the line, but we need value for these picks and our skill position players are set. Getting a really good center and a quality right tackle prospect both for our first would be worth it to me.

I love Burflicts highlights, attitude, intensity and some of his other traits...but I don't see a fit here. He is a bit of a loose cannon (reminds me of Arrington a bit) and going into a system that requires the opposite, Im not sure they
would target him. I would, though. If they want a mike that early, they will shoot for a Mayo clone. That's what scares me a little. This team needs a tone setter like Burflict.

All in all, those three picks would greatly improve our team in the trenches and point of attack on both sides of the ball. that's a big need so there are no complaints from me.

Maybe instead of Burflict, Poe could be another option...heck, maybe over Kotz. He could be a star and fills an immediate need.

Powe and Poe owning the zero fo sho.

The rest of the guys are decent values, but I'd like to see how they measure up at the combine.

I had a few drinks and feel I'm rambling, so I'll stop there.

Saccopoo 01-28-2012 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8331710)
How someone can read sac say that Albert wasn't any good and how Asamoah struggled... and STILL respect any of his takes on offensive linemen is beyond me.

He is the new, and not as good, Mecca....but the absolute true fan version of such.

Asamoah did struggle at times. There were a couple of games he was downright bad - he got absolutely worked in the Dolphins game. There was also times he looked good, such as the Raiders game. And Albert had a season where he played to middle of the pack level at best.

However, you are like a number of other morons here who think that because we picked a guy, specifically an offensive line player, in the front part of the draft, that that guy is automatically gold regardless of what happens on the field.

milkman 01-28-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8332236)
Asamoah did struggle at times. There were a couple of games he was downright bad - he got absolutely worked in the Dolphins game. There was also times he looked good, such as the Raiders game. And Albert had a season where he played to middle of the pack level at best.

However, you are like a number of other morons here who think that because we picked a guy, specifically an offensive line player, in the front part of the draft, that that guy is automatically gold regardless of what happens on the field.

That is not the case at all.

Albert wasn't great, but he progressed after regressing in his third season, and is good enough to man the position.

Drafting for a LT is no longer a need, no matter how you want to spin it.

He needs to continue to progress, but at this point in time, this team has far greater needs.

milkman 01-28-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8331267)
Well here is my mock. I've been doing a little researching. This is depending on what we do in free agency. I'm assuming we bring in a healthy Peyton Manning to play qb and Paul Soliai to play NT.


Round 1: Trade back to the early 20's, picking up an extra 2 rounder. If no one wants to trade with us, I'd take Richardson if he is sitting there. Anyway
Peter Konz in the first
Round 2a: Vontaze Burfict. He will fall out of hte first round, Pioli makes the value pick.
2b: Mike Adams, another solid pick if he falls that far. If not, it's Sanders from Florida State.
3: Chris Polk
4: Michael Egnew.
5: George Illoko
6:Joe Adams
7: Nick Provo

Don't like taking a RB in both the first and third rounds.

O.city 01-28-2012 11:39 AM

Sorry Milk, should have said it but things would change if no one would trade with us. If I take Richardson in the first, no Polk in the third.


And Boss, the reason I'm big on Burfict is that he has an attitude. The defense needs a nasty ass guy who is a little off his rocker. He would be perfect next to DJ.

Saccopoo 01-28-2012 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8332407)
That is not the case at all.

Albert wasn't great, but he progressed after regressing in his third season, and is good enough to man the position.

Drafting for a LT is no longer a need, no matter how you want to spin it.

He needs to continue to progress, but at this point in time, this team has far greater needs.

I've already stated several times that I'm okay with Albert at LT at this point. He isn't going to be anything other than middle of the pack at best, but if he's got good support to the right and someone in the backfield to chip off on outside speed rushers, he'll be okay. Not good, but okay. (McClain helped a lot this past year in the blocking department.)

And my mock reflects the greater needs of the Chiefs. At least I don't think I have a left tackle on this one.

O.city 01-28-2012 05:13 PM

Sac, what are your thoughts on Osomele and Mike Adams to play RT?

aturnis 01-28-2012 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8331721)
BossChief, what do you think of my mock.

I REALLY don't think anyone is going to trade up to get Richardson. Especially up to 12 from the 20's.

aturnis 01-28-2012 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8333292)
Sac, what are your thoughts on Osomele and Mike Adams to play RT?

Personally, I wasn't a huge fan of what I saw in Osemele in the Senior Bowl. Had a holding penalty(Mayock has always referred to him as a grabber) got beat pretty bad once, and just lack luster from there. They gave him praise on a run play that went for a gain, but in actuality, he hardly touched his guy.

aturnis 01-28-2012 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8332585)
I've already stated several times that I'm okay with Albert at LT at this point. He isn't going to be anything other than middle of the pack at best, but if he's got good support to the right and someone in the backfield to chip off on outside speed rushers, he'll be okay. Not good, but okay. (McClain helped a lot this past year in the blocking department.)

And my mock reflects the greater needs of the Chiefs. At least I don't think I have a left tackle on this one.

Is Albert great? No. Is he good, yes. He is in the average - above average category to this point in his career. The question you need to ask yourself about this line, and THIS draft in particular, is can you win championships with the guys we have.

Albert - yes
Lilja - yes
Hudson - yes
Asamoah - yes
Richardson - no

I think A LOT of CP'ers are going to be disappointed after the draft. Everyone is calling for Lilja's head, and they'd rather Hudson at LG. Fact is, Pioli hasn't started a rookie on the Oline since he got here, and he hasn't replaced more than one piece(Lilja, Weigmann aside, they were seasoned vets) at a time.

Personally, I would like to get a RT this year for sure, and depending on where they plan on playing Hudson, it'd be nice to find a replacement for the opening that Lilja could create. I'd be fine with Hudson at LG and wouldn't mind waiting to pick up Brewster. Brewster looked VERY good in 1 on 1 blocking drills. He's a bit tall, but has good knee bend.

I'd love to get two new Olinemen this year, I just don't see Pioli replacing Lilja this early. Again though, it depends on what they want to do with Hudson. If they see him as their LG, they very well could go with two guys this draft.


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