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Sandy Vagina 10-27-2014 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11061194)
what's wrong with our receivers?

he has Bowe, Kelce, DAT looks like a better McCluster, Charles splits out wide and is great out of the backfield...

I don't buy that narrative.

You know we are talking WRs... not TEs.

There is some promise.. it's not total garbage... just add ONE quality WR with the ability to high-point.. early in the draft. Need Bowe to play hard every week too.. not just when he feels like it.

Hootie 10-27-2014 09:18 PM

no, I'm talking about his receivers. A tight end is a receiver.

He has plenty of receivers to throw the ball to.

Sandy Vagina 10-27-2014 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11061203)
The WR's are getting open. I think Smith is probably a little gunshy about throwing it to them down the field due to various reasons, but to continue to win games against good teams, he needs to take some of those shots.

likely true at times

Ragged Robin 10-27-2014 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11061194)
what's wrong with our receivers?

he has Bowe, Kelce, DAT looks like a better McCluster, Charles splits out wide and is great out of the backfield...

I don't buy that narrative.

DAT *looks* better than McCluster but if you actually compare PRODUCTION at this point in the season it's not even close. Yes DAT was a brokedick for a while and is still a rookie learning how to play receiver and the potential is higher but from a pure production standpoint, it isn't an upgrade from last year (maybe next year).

Bowe is not about to break a game wide open or is even a reliable receiver and he is the only wideout in your list.

Bowe
Avery
Jenkins
Hemmingway
Hammond
Wilson

That is probably the biggest collection of scrub wideouts in the league right now.

jonzie04 10-27-2014 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11061169)
well I think Bowe is certainly a real wide receiver...very under appreciated on CP

Bowes is very underrated on here, he is for sure still capable of putting up 1300,1400+ yards even through his concentration lapses, with a proper amount of targets. The big issue for me is, his salary, and what's behind him depth wise. No wr in any Andy Reid offense should make that kind of money, given how much the ball is spread around. He's set to make 14m next year.

Last season we could have signed golden Tate, steve smith, hakeem nicks, and Kenny Britt, for less than what bowe will make alone in 2015.

mcaj22 10-27-2014 09:46 PM

they are clearly pinching pennies with that o-line. every player is on a cheap contract, they dont have to pay a premium for a LT because Fisher is on the rookie scale. And the oline was the Andy being the smartest guy in the room to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

They obviously didnt wanna use what little cap they had to sign an olineman. Though I would have taken an olineman over the garbage they did sign like Joe Mays and Vance Walker. But they seem to be more confident in grooming crappy olineman than crappy defensive players so I can see the logic.

They are just throwing cheap shit at the wall on defense at hoping it sticks (Cooper, Flemming, Ford, Mays, Walker, Catapano, Parker, Owens). If it doesnt oh well.

They know they have to spend their actual money on actual talent (Houston, Poe, Berry, etc)

It makes sense on both sides of the ball. The crap on this team is crap by numbers for a reason, so there is really no reason to complain about it. We know the positions that suck but they are balanced out by the positions we have that are really, really good. (Try watching some of these NFL teams that don't have premier talent at OLBer/DE. It is horrifying and we have been blessed the last 10 years to never really have to worry about that.)

Direckshun 10-27-2014 09:50 PM

Extremely sharp post by mcaj.

I don't think there's any doubt that Jamaal Charles masks exactly how crappy this OL has been.

I'm surprised, genuinely, by Fisher's poor PFF ranking. I thought he's been passable in pass protection and a force in the run game.

McGlynn, Fulton, and Harris don't surprise me.

ViperVisor 10-27-2014 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11061460)
Extremely sharp post by mcaj.

I don't think there's any doubt that Jamaal Charles masks exactly how crappy this OL has been.

I'm surprised, genuinely, by Fisher's poor PFF ranking. I thought he's been passable in pass protection and a force in the run game.

McGlynn, Fulton, and Harris don't surprise me.

Penalties are also taking his score down. Those have been an issue with him.

Hammock Parties 10-27-2014 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor (Post 11061478)
Penalties are also taking his score down. Those have been an issue with him.

Where does he rank in pressures allowed?

Total pass blocking efficiency?

mcaj22 10-27-2014 09:58 PM

would the line really be any different if we were locked into Asamoahs or Schwartz contract?

People would still be complaining about 3/5s of the shitty line and we would be now overpaying for 1 guy. Neither was going to carry this line.

O.city 10-27-2014 09:59 PM

They went young and inexperienced on the OL.

I'm still a believer that the OL is more sum of the parts than individual talent, so while mcglyn needs replaced, I think they just need to get 5 and stick with it.

DTLB58 10-27-2014 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11061203)
The WR's are getting open. I think Smith is probably a little gunshy about throwing it to them down the field due to various reasons, but to continue to win games against good teams, he needs to take some of those shots.

Yep. I said exactly this after the Charger game.

I think Murray would be a better down field throwing threat right now than Alex.
Smith's biggest asset right now is his feet. :banghead:

Mav 10-27-2014 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 11061484)
would the line really be any different if we were locked into Asamoahs or Schwartz contract?

People would still be complaining about 3/5s of the shitty line and we would be now overpaying for 1 guy. Neither was going to carry this line.

Considering that Schwartz is on IR we would bitching

DTLB58 10-27-2014 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11061194)
what's wrong with our receivers?

he has Bowe, Kelce, DAT looks like a better McCluster, Charles splits out wide and is great out of the backfield...

I don't buy that narrative.

They need to send Kelce vertical instead of all this crap at the LOS ala what the Seahawks did with Harvin. Remember what He did in the preseason? He wasn't catching balls for 1 yard and running for 70. He was on the fly down the middle.
Reid is holding this guy and the offense back.

This group should have added talent (Kelce was already on the team) and got better and right now they aren't near as explosive as they were in the Colts playoff loss. That's on everybody, players, coaches and personnel dept.
Okay, so Avery is hurt. Why weren't any of these other young WR's ready to step up and fill in?
All the rookie WR's combined have caught 38 TD's so far this season after 8 games! And all of our's including veterans have none! And our brilliant GM couldn't see fit to draft one from the most talented WR class ever! Which was probably this team's biggest need to improve upon from last season. Because, we can squeak into the playoffs but they aren't going to score enough with likes of the big boys in the big games.

Discuss Thrower 10-27-2014 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 11061528)
They need to send Kelce vertical instead of all this crap at the LOS ala what the Seahawks did with Harvin. Remember what He did in the preseason? He wasn't catching balls for 1 yard and running for 70. He was on the fly down the middle.
Reid is holding this guy and the offense back.

This group should have added talent (Kelce was already on the team) and got better and right now they aren't near as explosive as they were in the Colts playoff loss. That's on everybody, players, coaches and personnel dept.

Probably because the offensive staff realizes Smith won't be comfortable in the pocket long enough to let plays develop. Plays don't develop then Smith is checking down, scrambling downfield if it's open or eating a sack in that order.


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