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ThaVirus 07-30-2015 01:30 PM

Dontari Poe will miss camp due to back injury
 
If Peyton sees a front 6 consisting of Ford-Devito-Howard-Houston backed up by DJ and Branch, he's going to check to a run and gash us for 6-8 yards per carry.

And if we cheat up Berry/Abdullah/Parker into the box for support, he'll check to a pass and burn our rookie CBs.

It'll be a bloodbath.

staylor26 07-30-2015 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11627863)
Your rose-colored glasses are extra rosey this evening.

You're essentially talking about replacing 345 lbs of man-child with 305 lbs of meh and saying we'll be no worse for wear.

Did you read? I clearly was saying this is a formation we can use in situations like 2nd & long. I still believe we have to have Bailey/Howard/DeVito, Bailey/Howard/Cat, and Bailey/DeVito/Cat in our base 3/4.

ThaVirus 07-30-2015 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11627876)
Did you read? I clearly was saying this is a formation we can use in situations like 2nd & long. I still believe we have to have Bailey/Howard/DeVito, Bailey/Howard/Cat, and Bailey/DeVito/Cat in our base 3/4.


No offensive coordinator in the league, except, coincidentally, our own maybe, is going to throw out running plays on 2nd and 8.

2nd and 8 is just as run-friendly as 2nd and 6 or 2nd and 4. Most guys are going to try to make 3rd down more manageable.

ThaVirus 07-30-2015 01:51 PM

Dontari Poe will miss camp due to back injury
 
Here's the deal: we had a great pass defense last season and our run defense left a lot to be desired. Yes, our run defense took hits with three of our best run defenders missing most of the season and we run nickel formations more than most any team in the league..

But when you lose your 345 lbs plug, you don't run more light formations to compensate.

staylor26 07-30-2015 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11627888)
No offensive coordinator in the league, except, coincidentally, our own maybe, is going to throw out running plays on 2nd and 8.

2nd and 8 is just as run-friendly as 2nd and 6 or 2nd and 4. Most guys are going to try to make 3rd down more manageable.

I understand that but the formation I was talking about can stop the run in that situation (the point is to dare them to) This is the formation I was talking about now that I have a minute:

Gaines, Houston, Bailey, Howard/DeVito, Hali, Smith/Peters

Branch/Berry, Mauga/Wilson, DJ

Abdullah(on the slot if necessary)

Parker

RunKC 07-30-2015 02:24 PM

It's gonna hurt losing Poe. It will also help having a top 10 run stuffer from 2013 back along with DJ and Branch.

I just hope we can fundamentally tackle when we play them bc last time we couldn't tackle to save our lives. Gaines, Coleman, both ILB's missed tackles all game long.

Aspengc8 07-30-2015 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11627913)
I understand that but the formation I was talking about can stop the run in that situation (the point is to dare them to) This is the formation I was talking about now that I have a minute:

Gaines, Houston, Bailey, Howard/DeVito, Hali, Smith/Peters

Branch/Berry, Mauga/Wilson, DJ

Abdullah(on the slot if necessary)

Parker


Berry/Branch & DJ are not 4-3 OLB's, and in case you missed last season, Mauga cannot get off a block. DeVito coming off injury, and Bailey not much of a 3 tech beef.. I dunno man. I dont see many double teams required there which mean mauga/DJ/Berry will be fighting off lineman all day. DJ made a LIVING knifing through because good 1/0 techs require a double team.

Only positive I can see is I like Houston & Tamba/Ford as a wide 9 DE. Much rather play a odd front with them though.

Just my $.02

staylor26 07-30-2015 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 11627950)
Berry/Branch & DJ are not 4-3 OLB's, and in case you missed last season, Mauga cannot get off a block. DeVito coming off injury, and Bailey not much of a 3 tech beef.. I dunno man. I dont see many double teams required there which mean mauga/DJ/Berry will be fighting off lineman all day. DJ made a LIVING knifing through because good 1/0 techs require a double team.

Only positive I can see is I like Houston & Tamba/Ford as a wide 9 DE. Much rather play a odd front with them though.

Just my $.02

For the 100th time this is not a base formation. Just situational. I would never expect Berry/Branch to play OLB for more than a few snaps. Devito/Howard would still be lining up at NT. Also, DJ played 4-3 OLB for half of his career.

staylor26 07-30-2015 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11627949)
It's gonna hurt losing Poe. It will also help having a top 10 run stuffer from 2013 back along with DJ and Branch.

I just hope we can fundamentally tackle when we play them bc last time we couldn't tackle to save our lives. Gaines, Coleman, both ILB's missed tackles all game long.

DeVito was top 10 on PFF in 2013?

Aspengc8 07-30-2015 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11627957)
For the 100th time this is not a base formation. Just situational. I would never expect Berry/Branch to play OLB for more than a few snaps. Devito/Howard would still be lining up at NT. Also, DJ played 4-3 OLB for half of his career.

yeah im late to the party. Im not reading 16 pages.

I'd rather have catapano @ DE and have houston on the line in some sort of over front. I'd rather walk berry into the box as a 8th than have him in as the 7th. Only way I'd take your scenario is as a sub package when the O is showing 311 or posse personnel.

RunKC 07-31-2015 04:04 PM

@BlairKerkhoff: Chiefs waive RB Keshawn Hill, sign DT Hebron Fangupo, a member of Chiefs practice squad in 2014

Here's your NT help. I'm surprised the guy wasn't drafted with the measurabls he had at the combine:

6'1" 323 lbs
10 5/8 hands (damn)
5.18 40 yd dash
36 bench press reps

Very strong dude

RealSNR 08-01-2015 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11629992)
@BlairKerkhoff: Chiefs waive RB Keshawn Hill, sign DT Hebron Fangupo, a member of Chiefs practice squad in 2014



Here's your NT help. I'm surprised the guy wasn't drafted with the measurabls he had at the combine:



6'1" 323 lbs

10 5/8 hands (damn)

5.18 40 yd dash

36 bench press reps



Very strong dude


Put up the DJ's Left Nut signal!

KChiefs1 08-01-2015 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11624283)
Red Bryant


Yes

KChiefs1 08-01-2015 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11629992)
@BlairKerkhoff: Chiefs waive RB Keshawn Hill, sign DT Hebron Fangupo, a member of Chiefs practice squad in 2014



Here's your NT help. I'm surprised the guy wasn't drafted with the measurabls he had at the combine:



6'1" 323 lbs

10 5/8 hands (damn)

5.18 40 yd dash

36 bench press reps



Very strong dude


Practice squad guy? Really?

Red Dawg 08-01-2015 06:03 PM

Losing Poe sucks. He won't play until October.


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