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Randallflagg 09-02-2018 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 13704986)
How often do you think sub packages were used in 1998 as opposed to 2018.

I'm pretty sure NOBODY is claiming the NFL is an entirely different sport. It's changed a lot in 20 years.


Sub packages were being used when I played football for the University of Louisville in the 70s. Nothing new there.

Look at Bob Sutton (example). The game hasn't passed him by. His philosophy has passed HIM by. He refuses to leave what doesn't work (putting LBs 30 yards down the field in coverage when they aren't fast enough to be doing that) and has forgotten that with an attacking defense - the offense is always on the back foot.

If Chuckie comes out attacking - watch what happens. QBs will be running for their lives all day. If a QB is constantly having to leave the pocket (especially BEFORE he is ready) - he is doomed and we all know it. I have watched game after game, season after season (since Sutton came) and I can call the EXACT Defense that will be called from one play to the next. If I (an old man) can do that - what do you suppose every other team in the NFL is doing?

Football has always been (and will always be) a simple game of Chess. The board doesn't change. The field doesn't change. Sometimes, it pays to go "back to the future"…if you know what I mean….

Hell, I want Chuckie to fall flat on his face - but until the NFL figures out what he is doing from one week to the next - it won't happen. So, at least for this year, odds are, he is safe. But by next year, the "computer models" will be all over him…

THAT is what has changed about the NFL.

R8RFAN 09-02-2018 01:33 PM

Since all you guys are so hung up on taking the game back to 1998, What exactly do you think has changed with the exception of the over sensitive uber greed of the game?

Mother****erJones 09-02-2018 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN (Post 13705219)
Since all you guys are so hung up on taking the game back to 1998, What exactly do you think has changed with the exception of the over sensitive uber greed of the game?

Offense for one, the way the game is officiated, how strict practice regulations are now, etc.

Randallflagg 09-02-2018 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13705298)
Offense for one, the way the game is officiated, how strict practice regulations are now, etc.

Look, no "Offense" intended :) But the game is STILL the same as it was way back when. The object of the game is for the Offense to score touchdowns and it is the job of the Defense to prevent that from happening. Today, it is STILL done the same way - with the exception of million dollar computer system and their "predictions" and 75 coaches and trainers….and multi-million dollar training facilities.

Honestly - if the game had changed much over the years - how do you suppose that there are (for the most part) only 2 base defenses? Suttle changes, granted, but it is still, "Cover your man and I'll cover mine".

I WILL give you the idea that the officiating has gone to shit. Hell, when you think about it - there were less "career ending" injuries BEFORE all these changes in officiating went into effect - most, (my opinion), is nothing more than giving the Zebra guys Television time…

Ed Hochuli and his "guns" were talked about every game. That part of it is screwed up. LMAO

I want to go back to the days when the officials were there to break up fights and walk off the 10 yard penalties while holding the ball out at arms length. :)

R8RFAN 09-02-2018 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Randallflagg (Post 13705424)
Look, no "Offense" intended :) But the game is STILL the same as it was way back when. The object of the game is for the Offense to score touchdowns and it is the job of the Defense to prevent that from happening. Today, it is STILL done the same way - with the exception of million dollar computer system and their "predictions" and 75 coaches and trainers….and multi-million dollar training facilities.

Honestly - if the game had changed much over the years - how do you suppose that there are (for the most part) only 2 base defenses? Suttle changes, granted, but it is still, "Cover your man and I'll cover mine".

I WILL give you the idea that the officiating has gone to shit. Hell, when you think about it - there were less "career ending" injuries BEFORE all these changes in officiating went into effect - most, (my opinion), is nothing more than giving the Zebra guys Television time…

Ed Hochuli and his "guns" were talked about every game. That part of it is screwed up. LMAO

I want to go back to the days when the officials were there to break up fights and walk off the 10 yard penalties while holding the ball out at arms length. :)

Good take... That bs leading with the helmet bullshit is going to determine the outcome of many games this year.

Sassy Squatch 09-02-2018 04:24 PM

The Raiders have the oldest roster since it has been tracked. Average age is 27.4.

KChiefs1 09-02-2018 04:27 PM

The Raiders have a Gruden problem
 
https://soundcloud.com/silverandblac...io-show-9-2-18



The Silver and Black Today radio show became Raider Nation’s Sunday morning therapy session as we discussed the big news of the Khalil Mack trade and what it means for the Raiders moving forward.

Former NFL general manager and player personnel executive Michael Lombardi of The Athletic joined us to give us his insight on why the deal is better for the Raiders than most think. He also stated it was the right move if Jon Gruden is following a philosophy similar to Bill Belichick in New England.

Mother****erJones 09-02-2018 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Randallflagg (Post 13705424)
Look, no "Offense" intended :) But the game is STILL the same as it was way back when. The object of the game is for the Offense to score touchdowns and it is the job of the Defense to prevent that from happening. Today, it is STILL done the same way - with the exception of million dollar computer system and their "predictions" and 75 coaches and trainers….and multi-million dollar training facilities.

Honestly - if the game had changed much over the years - how do you suppose that there are (for the most part) only 2 base defenses? Suttle changes, granted, but it is still, "Cover your man and I'll cover mine".

I WILL give you the idea that the officiating has gone to shit. Hell, when you think about it - there were less "career ending" injuries BEFORE all these changes in officiating went into effect - most, (my opinion), is nothing more than giving the Zebra guys Television time…

Ed Hochuli and his "guns" were talked about every game. That part of it is screwed up. LMAO

I want to go back to the days when the officials were there to break up fights and walk off the 10 yard penalties while holding the ball out at arms length. :)

Have you not noticed the evolution of the spread offense in the league?

Mother****erJones 09-02-2018 04:31 PM

The players are even different in this era of football than 1998. Doesn’t take an expert to notice these changes

lawrenceRaider 09-02-2018 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13705450)
The Raiders have the oldest roster since it has been tracked. Average age is 27.4.

Meaningless statistic. What is average age of starters? If that is oldest ever, then you'll have something. Several old guys are deep bench players.

Sassy Squatch 09-02-2018 04:33 PM

LMAO Yeah, the Belicheck method only works because Belicheck has the greatest QB of all time on the offensive side of the ball. He can afford to let lower caliber players that want too much money go, like Collins. Mack isn't that player. I'm pretty sure if Mack was on the Patriots he would've signed the lucrative extension. Belicheck has proven in the past with players like Revis if you're a generational talent he'll pay you.

lawrenceRaider 09-02-2018 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13705453)
https://soundcloud.com/silverandblac...io-show-9-2-18



The Silver and Black Today radio show became Raider Nation’s Sunday morning therapy session as we discussed the big news of the Khalil Mack trade and what it means for the Raiders moving forward.

Former NFL general manager and player personnel executive Michael Lombardi of The Athletic joined us to give us his insight on why the deal is better for the Raiders than most think. He also stated it was the right move if Jon Gruden is following a philosophy similar to Bill Belichick in New England.

Lombardi is an idiot.

KChiefs1 09-02-2018 05:15 PM

Gruden press conference coming up on NFLN’s Total Access.

Hog's Gone Fishin 09-02-2018 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13705516)
Gruden press conference coming up on NFLN’s Total Access.

At 7 CT . Should be entertaining. I will point at him and laugh

KChiefs1 09-02-2018 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13705569)
At 7 CT . Should be entertaining. I will point at him and laugh


It’s coming up.


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