Just going to say one last thing about Skyy before the playoffs begin: Pat flat missed him on that seam route. Mahomes dirts that ball 3 feet behind Skyy; if Patrick had taken a quarter of a second to reset his feet, so he could get any hip into that throw, and hits Skyy with anything that lets him keep running, Skyy goes for a big yardage play, maybe even a TD. And maybe he'd change a couple more minds around here.

He was that wide open, and I'm not sure if the safety would be able to catch him from where he appeared to be.

Which game?

The last one vs. LVR.

Thing is, I'm going thru my YT history to find the highlight clip I was watching an hour ago, and now I can't find the thing. Great.

Lol, I've been rewatching YT videos for like an hour now, trying to find that one, and of course no dice. I am not staying up all night looking for that thing. I'll try again tomorrow.

You guys are saying that the skill set Skyy brings is the the type that best fits the role JuJu provides and that is being used to orchestrate how the pick wasn’t a good one at 54 over other options you guys liked better.

Or am I missing something?

I’m saying that having both on the field at the same time with Toney and Juju out wide and Skyy working mostly out of the slot is what I think will be how it plays out for the lions share of the snaps next year. Since day one, I’ve compared Skyy to Welker/Edelman and Karlaftis to Tamba and I stand by those.

Agreed that I was over zealous in how I thought his rookie season would play out. For sure I’ll take that L. I absolutely thought he would earn Pats trust nearly immediately and the opposite happened.

It’s very possible I completely missed on my evaluation of his during the draft season, but I dont think so.

I couldn't see how the offense would be better without Hill, but here we are. They are better.

Veach could see it. If he decides Jones draft picks in a trade and the opening up of cap space for others is the path to take us, in Veach we trust.

I don't think its lack of talent, It's Mahomes not trusting him, yet.

Denver

Moore was inactive for LVR.

Paying JJSS say, 17 per year, takes away the ability to pay a DE.

Was it DEN? Maybe I can find it now. Thx.

Far from it. Releasing just Clark frees up $19.6M.

Lol, yep, you were right. And you can find it in one of the clips in this thread. Man, my memory is getting weird. Thx for the heads up.

Yeah, I forgot. It was in the DEN game.

slightly more than halfway through the clip. Chiefs are lined up on the left hash, Pat starts the play reading to the left, comes right and sees Skyy running wide open right down the numbers on the right, and just doesn't reset his feet. he tries to just muscle it out there and ends up dirting it behind Skyy.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1610822859211042816
there's a safety high, so Skyy probably doesn't score, but it's a big gainer, 20+ yds. Just a bad pass.

Somewhere there’s another clip of this play, with audio, and it’s zoomed in, so you get a little better look. If I can locate it, I’ll post that one as well.

Bottom line(s) -
Snap counts are just the number of plays. They're not divided into running snaps or receiving snaps. Therefore, not necessarily a good measure for a WR.
Who does PMII trust? I don't think he's ever trusted Hardman on any route except a go. After almost 4 years you'd think he would understand a 12 yard up and out means 12 yards, not 12.75 or 11.3. One has to question that if Hill didn't have some trouble 4 years ago, would we have even drafted Hardman.
Moore is from a rookie from a school in a weak conference. He'll need some time to adjust to the NFL.
Toney runs the jet sweep just fine and he's harder to bring down than Hardman.
Watson isn't WR1-3, he's 4 at best. But with Hardman and Toney injured and Moore still learning, he's been thrust into a role. The team still needs guys to fill the WR4-6 roles.
Until someone steps up and takes pass plays from either Juju or MVS they'll be on the team.

One more thing -- WRs need to block downfield.

This isn't terribly difficult data to find, though...

The Chiefs, on the season, had 768 passing snaps. They broke out as:

Kelce -- 600 receiving snaps
MVS -- 554
JJSS -- 528
McKinnon -- 343
Watson -- 295
Gray -- 283
Hardman -- 200
Moore - 167
Pacheco -- 147
MEH -- 124
Fortson -- 104
Toney -- 65

I mean, do what that information what you will, but if it's your position that snaps aren't a reasonable proxy for 'receiving snaps' I'd say that's incorrect. By and large, the correlation appears to be pretty much one for one.

Which makes sense as Andy has always noted that he is cognizant of 'telegraphing' the playcall based on the alignment. So he's just not a guy who's going to run a system where personnel gives a hint as to the play being run.

Ultimately it's difficult to tell what your thesis is here. I gues if it's to speak to Mahomes 'trust' in his receivers you'd want to divide targets by number of routes run?

Kelce -- 600 routes and 150 targets -- targets on 25% of his routes run.
MVS -- 13.7%
JJSS -- 18.4%
McKinnon -- 19.8%
Watson -- 10.8%
Gray -- 12.0%
Hardman -- 16.5%
Moore - 19.2%
Pacheco -- .9%
MEH -- 17.7%
Fortson -- 12%
Toney -- 24.7%

So by that metric, Mahomes actually 'trusts' Moore a pretty fair amount or at the very least isn't shying away from him. And boy howdy, watch out for Toney next year.

Now you see Watson's 10.8% and say "man, Mahomes never actually goes to him with the ball, why's he playing??" You know what Watson's averaged depth of target is? 21 freakin' yards downfield!

So to the 'Moore will replace Watson next season' crowd - nope. Just zero chance of that. Watson is being used almost exclusively as a deep threat. Watson and MVS are actually being used in similar roles. Meanwhile the WR who's ADOT and usage rates are the closest to Moore? You guessed it - JJSS.

Nate Taylor said the postseason will be interesting. If he has a Sammy Watkins type postseason his value will jump bc “other teams be watching at that point”.

So yeah a somewhat fair deal might be something to shoot for now but maybe not for long