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DJ's left nut 05-03-2023 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16932490)
Well I saw some stuff posted in this thread suggesting that the organization views him as a starter. He is likely to hit those incentives if that’s true.

$9m could be high for this douche. He’s like a Wylie-level player and we had Wylie last year for only $2.5m.

Prior to last season he was a Taylor Decker level player and he made $15 million.

The risk is priced in. And that's IF he hits all his incentives.

dirk digler 05-03-2023 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16932491)
Also, isn't the most likely scenario that this is 'Taylor can't make the switch to the left side' insurance?

Probably

tredadda 05-03-2023 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FANATIC (Post 16932464)
In an emergency you do what you have to do. Reid has stated he would use Thuney at LT. You should feel very fortunate to be so brilliant. LOL If your starter goes down anything you do is a downgrade.

Except you don't double the problem by downgrading not one but two positions. If our LT goes down, you plug in a backup and adjust. You don't plug him in with your All Pro LG who would struggle there and then downgrade your LG as well leaving your whole left side compromised. Sure you could put him in to finish a game in the most dire circumstance (such as Reid finishing kicking duties week 1), but you don't go into a week with that plan.

Titty Meat 05-03-2023 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16932491)
Also, isn't the most likely scenario that this is 'Taylor can't make the switch to the left side' insurance?

Seems like alot of money to give to Taylor if you have doubts he can work at LT though

DJ's left nut 05-03-2023 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16932500)
Seems like alot of money to give to Taylor if you have doubts he can work at LT though

Yeah, it is.

But you also have an injury prone RT or a rookie. There are a LOT of question marks at OT and any one of them going south could give you a real problem.

So...an incentive laden contract for a high pedigree younger veteran with a history of strong performance is hardly a poor decision.

And hell, Taylor could be slow to transition to LT this season, be ready to do so next season and still prove to be a reasonable signing at LT long-term.

staylor26 05-03-2023 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 16932495)
Donovan Smith may be a decent backup, but he really regressed last year once Ali Marpet retired. I wouldn't have high expectations for him.

I haven't seen a single person express "high expectations"

FANATIC 05-03-2023 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16932503)
Yeah, it is.

But you also have an injury prone RT or a rookie. There are a LOT of question marks at OT and any one of them going south could give you a real problem.

So...an incentive laden contract for a high pedigree younger veteran with a history of strong performance is hardly a poor decision.

And hell, Taylor could be slow to transition to LT this season, be ready to do so next season and still prove to be a reasonable signing at LT long-term.

Good points!

tredadda 05-03-2023 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 16932495)
Donovan Smith may be a decent backup, but he really regressed last year once Ali Marpet retired. I wouldn't have high expectations for him.

If only he was able to sign with an organization known for reviving careers. That would be a great decision by him.

RaidersOftheCellar 05-03-2023 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16932421)
The guy is starting at LT this year and Taylor is staying at RT. Pretty much that simple. They’ll get Taylor some reps an LT in practice and if he looks good enough they’ll move him over next year and let Morris take over RT. You’re not signing a tackle with this kind of experience at LT to be a backup so you can play a guy who’s never played LT, and then start a guy like Niang at RT.

You start the 2 best tackles on the roster, and that’s Smith and Taylor. LT vs RT is pretty insignificant at this point, and you’re not going to play two guys on the opposites sides of where they’ve played and thrived their whole careers. That makes zero sense whatsoever. Stop looking at the money, it doesn’t matter at this point. You have 2 starting tackles making a total of $29 million (at most) which is doable. You can slowly transition Taylor and plug him in at LT next year if he shows enough. This gives you more time to figure that out.

I absolutely love this move, and I applaud Veach for covering his ass with Taylor, and then clearly seeing another opportunity to give Patrick even more protection and taking advantage of it. I feel so much better with a combo of Smith/Taylor than I would have with Taylor/Niang, and I don’t know how anyone could disagree. The tackle spots have been drastically upgraded. I cannot believe people are complaining about this. It makes us a better team without question. If Smith returns to his 2021 form, you possibly have the best offensive line in the league, and you also have a ton of depth. Just awesome. Veach truly never, ever stops.

You’d consider Smith an upgrade over Brown at LT?

Dante84 05-03-2023 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 16932304)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2017: 7 sacks, 42 pressures, 9 penalties<br>2016: 3 sacks, 57 pressures, 13 penalties<br>2015: 4 sacks, 54 pressures, 11 penalties</p>&mdash; Farzin Vousoughian (@Farzin21) <a href="https://twitter.com/Farzin21/status/1653905779185811457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Something I wasn’t thinking about earlier. He was basically Rashaad Fenton, but at a more premium position.

By that I mean:

He doesn’t “suck” because he allows a ton of pressures and sacks.

He “sucks” because he got a lot of penalties.

Fenton didn’t suck because he allowed catches/yards/TD’s. He sucked because he got a lot of penalties.

When viewing this from the lens of: “My primary goal is to eliminate injury risk for Patrick,” then Veach definitely got better in that department today.

tredadda 05-03-2023 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16932503)
Yeah, it is.

But you also have an injury prone RT or a rookie. There are a LOT of question marks at OT and any one of them going south could give you a real problem.

So...an incentive laden contract for a high pedigree younger veteran with a history of strong performance is hardly a poor decision.

And hell, Taylor could be slow to transition to LT this season, be ready to do so next season and still prove to be a reasonable signing at LT long-term.

I still think KC paid a premium for Taylor because of the LT market and the high likelihood that they would not get high enough for a LT or have one fall to them (which ended up not happening). Imagine had their plan to pay Smith and have him all but be guaranteed the starting LT out of necessity.

Bump 05-03-2023 07:35 PM

ok! I like it, another lineman just in case things aren't looking too good at RT with Taylor at LT. Maybe this guy gets LT and Taylor stays at RT if he's looking good and Niang and a rookie aren't.

Bowser 05-03-2023 07:36 PM

It's moves like this (and the subsequent reactions to them) that guarantee the Chargers to be offseason champs every single year.

FANATIC 05-03-2023 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 16932519)
ok! I like it, another lineman just in case things aren't looking too good at RT with Taylor at LT. Maybe this guy gets LT and Taylor stays at RT if he's looking good and Niang and a rookie aren't.

Maybe Niang is still hurting a bit and not be ready?

redfan 05-03-2023 07:37 PM

Always like to see the team get more protection for PMII.


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