Fine, it doesn't mean that he's a quality route runner either. The point still stands. You literally pointed to his 1,400 yard season and said "see he MUST run good routes and separate consistently!". He had a 1,400 yard season because he had an insane YAC season. It's really ****ing simple.

Those 365 rushing yards don't change the fact that Aiyuk had a better season as a WR. You keep trying to do this "versatility = better" shit when it's the exact opposite. Deebo has to work way harder for his yardage. That's not at all a good thing, and it's exactly why he comes with injuries every year. Him being a WR/RB hybrid drives his value down, not up, as a WR.

You two need to be alone and makeup

Production is production - either you're there for your team or you're not. And in a cap league, when you're taking up an immense amount of the cap, availability matters just as much as ability.

Though to an extent you're right - availability prevents someone like Jake Browning going in there in your absence and outplaying you. Boy you hate to see that.

I'm sure if Mahomes went down, Wentz would do the same...

Yeah, like I said, we really didn’t need to rehash it here. We’re making all of the same points we already made in the other thread.

So I’ll stop it now.

Joe Burrow in 9 games: 2-7 record, 2688 yards, 13 TDs, 5 INTs
Jake Browning in 7 games: 4-3 record, 1936 yards, 14 YDs, 7 INTs

Jesus ****ing Christ LMAO

Well we know he's closer to Jake Browning than Patrick Mahomes, at least...

Wow that’s 0 for 2 on Burrow. Not good.

Apparently the 49ers are looking for a 3rd team willing to part with a WR to add to the deal.

They act like the dude is prime Randy moss

Seriously. Im not all that impressed by him tbh. Good player for sure. Just not sure that he's a game breaker.

The fact that the 49ers are even willing to take it this far makes me believe the relationship with Aiyuk is fractured beyond repair behind the scenes. It would be so easy for them to just call Aiyuks bluff and force him to play out 2024.

I feel like they’ve got incentive to take this as far as it’ll go.

Just keep asking for ridiculous shit. If someone caves, awesome, you made out like a bandit. If not, you keep Aiyuk and go all in for a Super Bowl once last time before it starts to fall apart.

Neither was, say, Andre Johnson.

Andre was 27 and in his 6th season when he finally had a year that was better than what Aiyuk did last season. And it took a TON of volume to get there.

Now I agree with you that a dynamic game-breaker has more value merely by virtue of having home run ball ability. That said, Aiyuk's ADOT was 14.3 - that is way the hell down there. I'm betting that's top 5 for anyone with 100 targets. He was no pure underneath player - he was getting a lot of balls on intermediate and deep plays last season.

Great Catch rate, super low drop rate, elite yards per route run (over 3 is top shelf shit). I mean by virtually any measure he was a damn stud last season.

This is a guy that got fewer targets than Jordan Addison, Tyler Lockett, Chris Godwin, Adam Thielen, Keenan Allen and a bunch of other dudes he was better than last season.

I wouldn't sleep on him. He's a lot better than you're giving him credit for, IMO. He's easily a top 10 WR and arguably belongs in the top 5. He was really really REALLY good.

If Aiyuk gets 30 more targets last season - still puts him outside the top 15 but more inline with what a lot of 'premier' WRs get - that would bring up him to 131 targets . At his catch rate, it adds 22 catches to his ledger. That then yields an additional 400 receiving yards based on his average Yards/Reception.

Suddenly the dude has 97 catches for 1,750 yards.

That's CeeDee Lamb's production on forty fewer targets.

There just weren't many guys as efficient as Brandon Aiyuk last season. Nico Collins as there. Cooper was close. Had Justin Jefferson stayed healthy he probably would've been.

I mean there's just nothing not to like about the kid under the hood. He doesn't have blazing deep speed but apart from that, he was a genuine stud last year.

Sure, they could go that route, but it's predicated on Aiyuk cooperating. That may well not happen, especially if Aiyuk is willing to take it to the point of holding in with a phantom injury.